Eisenhower dollar experts: Here is an apparently simple question that no one can answer!
DFrohman
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Here is what appears to be a deceptively simple question that no
Eisenhower dollar expert so far can answer.
Perhaps you can!
The 1971-S 40% silver brilliant uncirculated Eisenhower dollars
were obviously struck at the San Francisco mint.
In this specific first year of issue, where were the coins then inserted
into their "Blue Pack" pilofilm packaging and envelopes?
Was it in San Francisco, or were the coins placed in 1000 count bags
and then shipped East to Philadelphia to be packaged?
You cannot simply post a guess, but must include a reference in
your answer (or include a link in it to your reference).
Enjoy!
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I don't remember but I bet they were placed in tubes if packaged elsewhere rather than in bags.
Just a guess based on the fact that these are not so uncommon with very light marking.
Not packaged in San Francisco.
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Where were the soft pack GSA dollars packaged?
Why do you say this?
Edited to add: Seriously, why do you say this? When the Treasury moved its numismatic operations to the SFAO in the mid-1960's, it must have installed a variety of packaging equipment. Philadelphia and Denver kept their equipment for packaging Mint Set panels in house, but they would have had no need for anything capable of packaging dollars.
(FWIW, I was in the basement of the Denver Mint in 1981 as part of an ANA Summer Seminar tour of the Mint, and they did have bags of 1981-S SBA dollars struck in SF and shipped to Denver for packaging along with the Denver coins of that year.)
It would be interesting if they were not packaged there in 71 but other years were. That would explain the disparity in quality of 1971 blue packs vs other years.
Collector, occasional seller
Steve,
Do you know specifically where the 1971-S 40% silver
"Blue Pack" Ikes were packaged, then?
And is there any reference that you can point to that
confirms that?
Thanks!
@DFrohman
Not an answer to your question, but while searching for an answer, I found this interesting in this CoinWeek article https://coinweek.com/modern-coins/united-states-1971-s-eisenhower-dollar/
In terms of strike and quality, the 1971-S is the poorest of the Blue Pack Ike dollars. The substandard quality of the typical coin must have come to the attention of the United States Mint before the coins were offered for sale because packaged along with each silver-clad business strike coin was a special insert that clearly specified that no special care was taken during the production process.
This fact is born out on each and every 1971-S Ike dollar that you will ever find, certified or uncertified. While the typical 1972-1974 Blue Pack Ike should grade in the MS66 to MS67 range, with excellent specimens earning MS68 and in rare instances MS69, the typical 1971-S Eisenhower dollar in the raw falls in the MS63 to MS65 range. The NGC and PCGS populations, which are comprised of pre-screened coins, typically in the higher register, bear this out.
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@DFrohman - from Rob Ezerman and Ike Group authors, in Collectible Ike Varieties - Facts, Photos, and Theories, Chapter 26, What the Mint Did Not Publicize:
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Do you have any particular evidence that would prove, or even suggest, that they they were NOT packaged in San Francisco? Explain your question.
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Thank you so much, Steve!
From the 1972 U.S. Mint Report via the Newman Numismatic Portal:
@DFrohman I assume you are asking this question with the 1971-S Prototype Ikes in mind. If that is the case, what are you hoping to infer from the answer?
First documented appearance of a 1971-S uncirculated blue pack was in Washington DC on August 6, 1971. A handful of the President Nixon blue packs have appeared in auction. My last count was three. There is a peculiar trait in the packaging of the President Nixon gift set (lets just leave it at that, since I have not confirmed this trait with other President Nixon gift sets).
Did that help you any?
@DFrohman I assume you are asking this question with the 1971-S Prototype Ikes in mind. If that is the case, what are you hoping to infer from the answer?
Yes. Welcome to the boards (at least from a post count perspective). And, it is “ok” to promote your wares here if tactfully done and this “quiz” is “close enough” to that. But, I for one, would rather hear about your recently purchased prototype Ike from Lee and consignment of the coin to auction. One of 3 discovered so far- yes? Does anyone know with any certainty up to how many more of these might still possibly exist out there “in the wild”? Please refresh my memory - where was the third example discovered? I recall the second was discovered at a Pawn Shop.
Did you buy the coin mostly with the intent on “flipping it” so quickly after the purchase? Was it simply an investment by you that you expected might perform well in the short run especially if you felt you purchased it inexpensively? Please share your personal story on the coin. Lee’s discovery of it is the quintessential definition of “cherry-picking” a huge score and has been fully detailed.
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