Realistic Photogrades
BozoOnBus
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I submit that ten times out of ten times if you submitted the pictured Seated Liberty Quarter pictured for the Poor One grade in PCGS's Photograde it would be rejected. Why you ask? The mint mark area is totally worn away as well as basically the entire Eagle! I've handled dozens of coins that are exactly the same that do not have any trace of a mint mark with that same amount of wear. How in the world can you say the coin did or did not have a mint mark!? If Photograde is to be believed and utilized as "The Reference" for grading expertise, then let's have examples which truly reflect the stated grades shown!
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I don’t think I’ve ever looked that far down on photograde. I’ll believe you, though. I like photograde, but one pic/grade can still only give so much info and be relevant to only so many other coins. It’s a guide, like the rest of our resources.
Keep in mind that the absence of a MM (or date) does not make it impossible to determine where (or when) a coin was minted. Die characteristics can sometimes be enough to establish a date and Mint.
Lance..
The saints are a bit over graded at MS63 and above also.
It looks like they have tightened things up a bit if that's the way it used to be.
Time for an updated grading set.
My Saint Set
Ikeigwin, You are correct, especially one year type coins which the PCGS "Official Grading Guide" states; "One year type coins do not necessarily need a date to be graded". Even though I agree with you, my issue was more the fact PCGS needs to give examples which beginners to professionals are able to utilize, and the Seated Liberty Quarter in Pr01 Reverse is not a good learning example! I venture that a coin such as the Seated Liberty Quarter depicted as the Pr01 Reverse in PCGS's Photograde would never grade today... Here's a zinger most out there do not know; when the Pictures for PCGS's Photograde were put together, the Obverse and Reverse photos were not necessarily of the same coin!! Just photos... Now, try and match those "Die Characteristics"!!
What about looking at the CoinFacts image database for reference?
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
Photograde is not about authentication. It is about grading. Try not to dwell on whether examples deserve straight grades or are properly or legitimately attributed. Instead use them as examples of grades assigned based on wear and/or blemishes.
I see no reason why obverse and reverse photos must be of the same coin. The lesson is about grading based on condition. Even drawings might suffice.
PCGS has much better sources for attribution, strike anomalies, with examples of real coins. Photograde is the wrong place to look for that information. It is a very simple tool for very simple purposes.
JMHO.
Lance.
Ikeigwin, don’t know what planet you’re talking from, but I’ve never mentioned “Authentication” 😊
How do you photograph what has worn away?