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Russia 3-Rouble platinum 1828-1845 die varieties ?

dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

My only reference for these coins is the Krause world coin catalog, which doesn't list any varieties (except proofs).
Are there any die varieties of note in this series (such as doubled dies, over-dates, etc.) ?
And, if so, do any have a premium over the normal issues ?

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  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 786 ✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    My only reference for these coins is the Krause world coin catalog, which doesn't list any varieties (except proofs).
    Are there any die varieties of note in this series (such as doubled dies, over-dates, etc.) ?
    And, if so, do any have a premium over the normal issues ?

    please show us what you have!

    The exact question has been asked before...
    https://www.staraya-moneta.ru/forum/messages/forum3/topic18634/message156581/#message156581

    and since that time, there has been research focused on the iron content / magnetic effect in conjunction with specific gravity tests as being a reliable clue of originality, because the way they made platinum in 1830 is different than 1880, 1930 and 2020

    I like this series and noticed a lot of overdates and minor varieties over the years. There's one classically recognized variety - the 1830 without rosettes
    https://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-1700-1917/kid,17/mid,2/nid,19/types.html

    There are also large and small dates for some years . IMO, there's little interest or premiums in overdates or minor varieties throughout the entire Russian catalog, but I like them as indicators of being authentic originals. Why fake an overdate nobody cares about?

    The platinum coins are all difficult to authenticate. and even the best coins, slabbed with apparent provenance, publicly sell with experts bickering over their authenticity. Everything is suspicious, because they were restruck with original dies until at least about 1890, maybe till 1990, and deceptive counterfeits are still being made today and getting slabbed as originals without any distinctions.

    For example...
    https://staraya-moneta.ru/forum/forum3/topic232190/

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,936 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tcollects said:

    @dcarr said:
    My only reference for these coins is the Krause world coin catalog, which doesn't list any varieties (except proofs).
    Are there any die varieties of note in this series (such as doubled dies, over-dates, etc.) ?
    And, if so, do any have a premium over the normal issues ?

    please show us what you have!

    The exact question has been asked before...
    https://www.staraya-moneta.ru/forum/messages/forum3/topic18634/message156581/#message156581


    and since that time, there has been research focused on the iron content / magnetic effect in conjunction with specific gravity tests as being a reliable clue of originality, because the way they made platinum in 1830 is different than 1880, 1930 and 2020

    I like this series and noticed a lot of overdates and minor varieties over the years. There's one classically recognized variety - the 1830 without rosettes
    https://www.m-dv.ru/monety-rossii-1700-1917/kid,17/mid,2/nid,19/types.html

    There are also large and small dates for some years . IMO, there's little interest or premiums in overdates or minor varieties throughout the entire Russian catalog, but I like them as indicators of being authentic originals. Why fake an overdate nobody cares about?

    The platinum coins are all difficult to authenticate. and even the best coins, slabbed with apparent provenance, publicly sell with experts bickering over their authenticity. Everything is suspicious, because they were restruck with original dies until at least about 1890, maybe till 1990, and deceptive counterfeits are still being made today and getting slabbed as originals without any distinctions.

    For example...
    https://staraya-moneta.ru/forum/forum3/topic232190/

    Thanks for the info. I do not own any to show. I saw one for sale and it was a very clear over-date 1838/7 three roubles. The asking price was pretty high and I don't think it would be worth that unless the variety has a decent premium. That is why I was asking.

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