@streeter said:
'Rice was the absolute best here and Taylor the worst.'
Ah, come on. John Taylor was one of my favorites. I don't have stats on him but he was terrific to watch and I was at the Stick for Everyone of his games.
Not as good as Rice or Owens but real solid.
Sorry :-(
I thought he was pretty good until I looked up his numbers and he was the worst of the guys I looked at. It looks like he made 1 Pro Bowl as a receiver and the other as a kick returner.
As you can see by the comparison above Swan was over rated too. Not saying they weren't both deserving of being liked, just not "all time greats". Swan is probably one of the most over rated receivers ever. Moss is over rated too, but he was WAY better than Swan.
Those guys were all HOFers except Holt, who is so under appreciated, I can't believe it.
NFL Receiving Yards per Game Career Leaders
1 Julio Jones 95.5 2011-2020
2 Calvin Johnson+ 86.1 2007-2015
3 Michael Thomas 85.0 2016-2020
4 Antonio Brown 84.5 2010-2020
5 Odell Beckham Jr. 83.3 2014-2020
6 DeAndre Hopkins 79.4 2013-2020
7 Mike Evans 78.0 2014-2020 8 Torry Holt 77.4 1999-2009
9 Marvin Harrison+ 76.7 1996-2008
10 Jerry Rice+ 75.6 1985-2004
In just 11 seasons he had the 16th highest career yardage total all time. ALL of the guys ahead of him played for several more seasons.
NFL Receiving Yards Career Leaders
1 Jerry Rice+ 22,895 1985-2004
2 Larry Fitzgerald 17,492 2004-2020
3 Terrell Owens+ 15,934 1996-2010
4 Randy Moss+ 15,292 1998-2012
5 Isaac Bruce+ 15,208 1994-2009
6 Tony Gonzalez+ 15,127 1997-2013
7 Tim Brown+ 14,934 1988-2004
8 Steve Smith 14,731 2001-2016
9 Marvin Harrison+ 14,580 1996-2008
10 Reggie Wayne 14,345 2001-2014
11 Andre Johnson 14,185 2003-2016
12 James Lofton+ 14,004 1978-1993
13 Cris Carter+ 13,899 1987-2002
14 Anquan Boldin 13,779 2003-2016
15 Henry Ellard 13,777 1983-1998
16 Torry Holt 13,382 1999-2009
I don't see one player higher than Holt who appears on both lists. Jerry Rice and Marvin Harrison are the only two players on both lists.
NFL records
Consecutive seasons with at least 1,300 yards receiving (6).
Consecutive seasons with 90+ receptions (6).
Seasons with 1,600 yards receiving with 2, (tied with Marvin Harrison, Julio Jones, Antonio Brown and Calvin Johnson).
Ranked first in the NFL from 2000-08 with 817 receptions for 11,872 yards and 562 first downs during that span
Ranked in the Top 10 in career receiving yards at retirement, now lies at #16.
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JoeB
My opinion only. You are a stat guy, I'm not. I watched every home game in person at the Stick that Taylor played. Taylor made Rice a lot better just because Taylor may have been a better deep threat than Rice, Taylor was at least his equal but with a different style. Much more fluid than #80. They had to cover Taylor at least as much as Rice. Rice was tougher after the catch. Niners had at least 4 or 5 guys ON EVERY PLAY who could catch the ball and run after the catch. Or they could run it down your throat.
I used to sell my Rams and Giants Monday night games to Harrah's sports book and pay for the entire season with those two games. Then bum lessor tickets last minute from a scalper outside the stadium for the Rams and Giants on game day. Those were the days baby.
The only other NFL team I followed were the Steelers. A guy who made the Steelers Twentieth Century all defensive squad, I played with in high school and went to college with him. Good guy, Toews. His son played hockey for Pittsburg.
And I forgot to mention, paying attention to the Steelers was tough because I never could warm up to Swann. Went to Serra. (Same as Bonds). Then he went to SC so I had a reason,lol, to dislike him early. In that regard, he's never disappointed me.
But he has grown on me in an odd way. Possibly the worst AD that SC has ever had. Just mailed it in.
@streeter said:
JoeB
My opinion only. You are a stat guy, I'm not. I watched every home game in person at the Stick that Taylor played. Taylor made Rice a lot better just because Taylor may have been a better deep threat than Rice, Taylor was at least his equal but with a different style. Much more fluid than #80. They had to cover Taylor at least as much as Rice. Rice was tougher after the catch.
True, but in this case I have no choice but to be a "stat" guy. I didn't see much of Taylor and I'm sure he was a terrific player.
The players we are comparing him to are just better. There is certainly no disrespect from me towards Mr Taylor, I just can't rank him as high as Torry Holt and I would even rate him a bit below Lynn Swan, who somehow is a HOFer.
I do agree that watching a player tells you things about them that the stat sheet doesn't. I watched Randy Moss every game he played for the Vikings and after a tremendous first few years, he became a very average player who gave a poor effort on the field when challenged. He was a quitter, yet many here think he was one of the all time greats. I don't.
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basing HOF inclusion/exclusion may be the worst criteria there is. looking at the streeter/JoeBanzai debate above about Taylor should make that clear: in-person vs. stats only, I think I can trust the member who actually saw him play.
I guess my point of you think Swann is a no brainer HOFer and great then you must think the same of John Taylor. They are identical stat wise and both won multiple Super Bowls. Both made their respective all decade teams for what it's worth. One is the hall, one isn't. Make any sense?
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@Justacommeman said:
I guess my point of you think Swann is a no brainer HOFer and great then you must think the same of John Taylor. They are identical stat wise and both won multiple Super Bowls. Both made their respective all decade teams for what it's worth. One is the hall, one isn't. Make any sense?
m
I would take Julian Edelman over both of these guys.
@Justacommeman said:
I guess my point of you think Swann is a no brainer HOFer and great then you must think the same of John Taylor. They are identical stat wise and both won multiple Super Bowls. Both made their respective all decade teams for what it's worth. One is the hall, one isn't. Make any sense?
m
I would take Julian Edelman over both of these guys.
Me too but you don't get Jerry Rice with him. My point is Stallworth and Swann can't be the best duo ever when Swann and Taylor cancel each other out. That leaves Stallworth vs Rice.
Jules will be an interesting Hall discussion .
m
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@Justacommeman said:
I guess my point of you think Swann is a no brainer HOFer and great then you must think the same of John Taylor. They are identical stat wise and both won multiple Super Bowls. Both made their respective all decade teams for what it's worth. One is the hall, one isn't. Make any sense?
m
I would take Julian Edelman over both of these guys.
Me too but you don't get Jerry Rice with him. My point is Stallworth and Swann can't be the best duo ever when Swann and Taylor cancel each other out. That leaves Stallworth vs Rice.
Jules will be an interesting Hall discussion .
m
Agreed. And for the record I FULLY support Edelman as a HOF’er. I’m a homer as you know but his playoff accolades are hall worthy in my opinion
@Justacommeman said:
I guess my point of you think Swann is a no brainer HOFer and great then you must think the same of John Taylor. They are identical stat wise and both won multiple Super Bowls. Both made their respective all decade teams for what it's worth. One is the hall, one isn't. Make any sense?
m
I would take Julian Edelman over both of these guys.
Me too but you don't get Jerry Rice with him. My point is Stallworth and Swann can't be the best duo ever when Swann and Taylor cancel each other out. That leaves Stallworth vs Rice.
Jules will be an interesting Hall discussion .
m
Agreed. And for the record I FULLY support Edelman as a HOF’er. I’m a hornet as you know but his playoff accolades are hall worthy in my opinion
I'm with you
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an interesting fact i never noticed until reading this thread. Rice's final season was the same as L Fitzgeralds rookie season. that means that only one degree of separation connecting the 1985 Nfl to the 2020. pretty amazing for such a brutal sport
Walking across a crosswalk with a bag of groceries, getting hit by a car and when you're trying to keep the groceries from hitting the ground, getting hit in the head with a baseball bat.
How did I know this thread would fill up with WRs off the best teams? Well, great WRs can get stuck on less than stellar teams, and one team in particular stands out as having its two best players being their WRs. For five years the San Diego Chargers had Lance Alworth and Gary Garrison at WR, a pretty good QB, a couple of great linemen, and not much else. If "greatest" means winning games that otherwise wouldn't have been won, I think the Alworth/Garrison duo is in the running for the top spot. Alworth is at least in the conversation as the GOAT WR, and Garrison has got to be in the conversation as the GOAT second-best-on-his-own-team WR (at least being #2 for more than a season or two).
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
@Justacommeman said:
I guess my point of you think Swann is a no brainer HOFer and great then you must think the same of John Taylor. They are identical stat wise and both won multiple Super Bowls. Both made their respective all decade teams for what it's worth. One is the hall, one isn't. Make any sense?
m
I would take Julian Edelman over both of these guys.
Me too but you don't get Jerry Rice with him. My point is Stallworth and Swann can't be the best duo ever when Swann and Taylor cancel each other out. That leaves Stallworth vs Rice.
Jules will be an interesting Hall discussion .
m
I have to agree. Jerry Rice and anyone wins it for me.
@dallasactuary said:
How did I know this thread would fill up with WRs off the best teams? Well, great WRs can get stuck on less than stellar teams, and one team in particular stands out as having its two best players being their WRs. For five years the San Diego Chargers had Lance Alworth and Gary Garrison at WR, a pretty good QB, a couple of great linemen, and not much else. If "greatest" means winning games that otherwise wouldn't have been won, I think the Alworth/Garrison duo is in the running for the top spot. Alworth is at least in the conversation as the GOAT WR, and Garrison has got to be in the conversation as the GOAT second-best-on-his-own-team WR (at least being #2 for more than a season or two).
@bobbybakeriv said:
Branch and Biletnikoff deserve an honorable mention to me. Great hands Fred and great speed Cliff.
Both great combos.
All these Rices combos are silly good
Rice/ Taylor
Rice/ Brown
Rice/ Owens
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@bobbybakeriv said:
Branch and Biletnikoff deserve an honorable mention to me. Great hands Fred and great speed Cliff.
Definitely. Cliff Branch was as good a receiver as anybody who ever played the game. Fred Biletnikoff was a gamer who just got the job done but he wasn't "FLASHY" so of course he his overlooked and forgotten now. Excellent receiver. Hey, those Raider teams back then were a joy to watch. Win or lose. Those guys played rough tough football. Nothing..... NOTHING..... like them since. Boys and girls......that was FOOTBALL!
@bobbybakeriv said:
Branch and Biletnikoff deserve an honorable mention to me. Great hands Fred and great speed Cliff.
Definitely. Cliff Branch was as good a receiver as anybody who ever played the game. Fred Biletnikoff was a gamer who just got the job done but he wasn't "FLASHY" so of course he his overlooked and forgotten now. Excellent receiver. Hey, those Raider teams back then were a joy to watch. Win or lose. Those guys played rough tough football. Nothing..... NOTHING..... like them since. Boys and girls......that was FOOTBALL!
It looks like Branch will finally get into the Hall in 2022
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Swann's SUPER BOWL MVP award says otherwise
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
Ignore list -Basebal21
Sorry :-(
I thought he was pretty good until I looked up his numbers and he was the worst of the guys I looked at. It looks like he made 1 Pro Bowl as a receiver and the other as a kick returner.
As you can see by the comparison above Swan was over rated too. Not saying they weren't both deserving of being liked, just not "all time greats". Swan is probably one of the most over rated receivers ever. Moss is over rated too, but he was WAY better than Swan.
Those guys were all HOFers except Holt, who is so under appreciated, I can't believe it.
NFL Receiving Yards per Game Career Leaders
1 Julio Jones 95.5 2011-2020
2 Calvin Johnson+ 86.1 2007-2015
3 Michael Thomas 85.0 2016-2020
4 Antonio Brown 84.5 2010-2020
5 Odell Beckham Jr. 83.3 2014-2020
6 DeAndre Hopkins 79.4 2013-2020
7 Mike Evans 78.0 2014-2020
8 Torry Holt 77.4 1999-2009
9 Marvin Harrison+ 76.7 1996-2008
10 Jerry Rice+ 75.6 1985-2004
In just 11 seasons he had the 16th highest career yardage total all time. ALL of the guys ahead of him played for several more seasons.
NFL Receiving Yards Career Leaders
1 Jerry Rice+ 22,895 1985-2004
2 Larry Fitzgerald 17,492 2004-2020
3 Terrell Owens+ 15,934 1996-2010
4 Randy Moss+ 15,292 1998-2012
5 Isaac Bruce+ 15,208 1994-2009
6 Tony Gonzalez+ 15,127 1997-2013
7 Tim Brown+ 14,934 1988-2004
8 Steve Smith 14,731 2001-2016
9 Marvin Harrison+ 14,580 1996-2008
10 Reggie Wayne 14,345 2001-2014
11 Andre Johnson 14,185 2003-2016
12 James Lofton+ 14,004 1978-1993
13 Cris Carter+ 13,899 1987-2002
14 Anquan Boldin 13,779 2003-2016
15 Henry Ellard 13,777 1983-1998
16 Torry Holt 13,382 1999-2009
I don't see one player higher than Holt who appears on both lists. Jerry Rice and Marvin Harrison are the only two players on both lists.
NFL records
The defense giving up 17 points is the reason they won that game.
JoeB
My opinion only. You are a stat guy, I'm not. I watched every home game in person at the Stick that Taylor played. Taylor made Rice a lot better just because Taylor may have been a better deep threat than Rice, Taylor was at least his equal but with a different style. Much more fluid than #80. They had to cover Taylor at least as much as Rice. Rice was tougher after the catch. Niners had at least 4 or 5 guys ON EVERY PLAY who could catch the ball and run after the catch. Or they could run it down your throat.
I used to sell my Rams and Giants Monday night games to Harrah's sports book and pay for the entire season with those two games. Then bum lessor tickets last minute from a scalper outside the stadium for the Rams and Giants on game day. Those were the days baby.
The only other NFL team I followed were the Steelers. A guy who made the Steelers Twentieth Century all defensive squad, I played with in high school and went to college with him. Good guy, Toews. His son played hockey for Pittsburg.
And I forgot to mention, paying attention to the Steelers was tough because I never could warm up to Swann. Went to Serra. (Same as Bonds). Then he went to SC so I had a reason,lol, to dislike him early. In that regard, he's never disappointed me.
But he has grown on me in an odd way. Possibly the worst AD that SC has ever had. Just mailed it in.
True, but in this case I have no choice but to be a "stat" guy. I didn't see much of Taylor and I'm sure he was a terrific player.
The players we are comparing him to are just better. There is certainly no disrespect from me towards Mr Taylor, I just can't rank him as high as Torry Holt and I would even rate him a bit below Lynn Swan, who somehow is a HOFer.
I do agree that watching a player tells you things about them that the stat sheet doesn't. I watched Randy Moss every game he played for the Vikings and after a tremendous first few years, he became a very average player who gave a poor effort on the field when challenged. He was a quitter, yet many here think he was one of the all time greats. I don't.
Drew Hill and Haywood Jefferies run n gun
basing HOF inclusion/exclusion may be the worst criteria there is. looking at the streeter/JoeBanzai debate above about Taylor should make that clear: in-person vs. stats only, I think I can trust the member who actually saw him play.
I guess my point of you think Swann is a no brainer HOFer and great then you must think the same of John Taylor. They are identical stat wise and both won multiple Super Bowls. Both made their respective all decade teams for what it's worth. One is the hall, one isn't. Make any sense?
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I would take Julian Edelman over both of these guys.
Me too but you don't get Jerry Rice with him. My point is Stallworth and Swann can't be the best duo ever when Swann and Taylor cancel each other out. That leaves Stallworth vs Rice.
Jules will be an interesting Hall discussion .
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Agreed. And for the record I FULLY support Edelman as a HOF’er. I’m a homer as you know but his playoff accolades are hall worthy in my opinion
I'm with you
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Mark Clayton and Mark Duper , the Marks Brothers, were really good. Not saying they were the best.
And an interesting duo that don't think has been mentioned is Jerry Rice with TO.
i LOVED this duo in techmo super bowl for NES
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
an interesting fact i never noticed until reading this thread. Rice's final season was the same as L Fitzgeralds rookie season. that means that only one degree of separation connecting the 1985 Nfl to the 2020. pretty amazing for such a brutal sport
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Best duo ever? Hmmm Jerry Rice and Tim Brown on the raiders .... TOGETHER
BEST DESCRIPTION EVER OF GOING OVER THE MIDDLE,
Walking across a crosswalk with a bag of groceries, getting hit by a car and when you're trying to keep the groceries from hitting the ground, getting hit in the head with a baseball bat.
Try that for 10yrs.
How did I know this thread would fill up with WRs off the best teams? Well, great WRs can get stuck on less than stellar teams, and one team in particular stands out as having its two best players being their WRs. For five years the San Diego Chargers had Lance Alworth and Gary Garrison at WR, a pretty good QB, a couple of great linemen, and not much else. If "greatest" means winning games that otherwise wouldn't have been won, I think the Alworth/Garrison duo is in the running for the top spot. Alworth is at least in the conversation as the GOAT WR, and Garrison has got to be in the conversation as the GOAT second-best-on-his-own-team WR (at least being #2 for more than a season or two).
Branch and Biletnikoff deserve an honorable mention to me. Great hands Fred and great speed Cliff.
I have to agree. Jerry Rice and anyone wins it for me.
Both great combos.
All these Rices combos are silly good
Rice/ Taylor
Rice/ Brown
Rice/ Owens
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Definitely. Cliff Branch was as good a receiver as anybody who ever played the game. Fred Biletnikoff was a gamer who just got the job done but he wasn't "FLASHY" so of course he his overlooked and forgotten now. Excellent receiver. Hey, those Raider teams back then were a joy to watch. Win or lose. Those guys played rough tough football. Nothing..... NOTHING..... like them since. Boys and girls......that was FOOTBALL!
It looks like Branch will finally get into the Hall in 2022
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......