PWCC Sells Mislabeled PSA 1960 Mantle/Boyer card worth $50 for over $1K, and they know about it!
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Two 1960 Topps Mantle/Boyer cards were mislabeled by PSA as Venezuela Topps cards. The original submitter tried selling them on eBay for months, no buyer. I informed him they were US Topps cards in mislabeled holders (I am 100% certain of this, the Venezuela Topps version is on a completely different stock and has a distinctly different surface and registration), he gets upset with me for telling him, cops out by laying it on PSA, saying they're the experts and kept the cards listed. He couldn't sell them.
They pop up a week ago, PWCC is now his fence for them. The PSA 5 sells at auction on eBay last night for $1,069. It's a $50 card. The PSA 6 is listed as BIN at $4K. I inform PWCC on 3 separate occasions, I get one response that they would discuss it. No action was taken. In their disclaimer, they dump it on PSA as the experts.
The Venezuela Topps version is extraordinarily rare. The guy who submitted them with a bunch of other vintage US Topps cards knew they were not Venezuelan, but PSA botched the labeling and he took the opportunity to become a scammer.
Here's the backs of two Venezuela Topps specimen. Note the sandstone-like surface and significantly lighter registration.
Here's the back of the PWCC PSA 5 card, which is clearly a US Topps card. Note the smooth surface finish and sharp registration.
Here's the back of the PWCC PSA 6, same deal as above, US Topps.
Meanwhile, the Venezuela Topps is an extremely low pop card, and the mislabeled 5 and 6 completely skews the population and devalues the real Venezuela Topps specimens.
Here are the fronts:
Real Venezuela Topps:
Mislabeled:
Night and day. PSA is to blame for such a pathetic error to begin with. Original submitter is a greedy crook. And PWCC are greedy crooks.
Never get cheated...
Comments
mechanical error which people do collect, believe it or not.
dont think brent held a gun to anyones head here.
certainly didnt need 2 threads, but caveat emptor.
and counting
oh wow! just saw…over under at 5?
not one thing surprises me when it comes to PWCC. If they did know about it beforehand, this was a very shady deal
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I have seen 1972 Cubs cards labeled “Green under letters” when they are clearly the more common yellow version. The sellers had them priced at the green premium, obviously knowing they are not green. Bizarre.
I don’t have a problem with him bringing awareness to problem.
i think we are fully aware though…
With the number of cards that PWCC gets submitted to them for their auctions each month, does anyone think that except for the well known and probably $5k+ cards, that they are doing anything more than taking front and back pics of the slabs and then creating a listing for them. Why would PWCC be taking the time to question the accuracy of the flips... that's PSA's job.
And of course they aren't responding to any messages sent on auction items through ebay. With the number of items they sell at a time, I'd imagine they get a crap load of questions all the time and would have to hire someone to just do questions. The items are graded slabs, there should not be any questions, like on MySlabs. The flip and pics speak for themselves. If you know the flip is wrong, don't buy it. In theory, if a buyer realizes they have been duped, they can collect on the PSA guarantee.
In my opinion there is nothing really that distinguishable in any of the cards you showed. Not a fan of VEN's because of that. I'm actually going to side a little with PWCC on this one. Nothing stands out at all.
I'm pretty sure the guarantee doesn't apply to mechanical errors. "But the flip said it was a 1952 Mantle, even tough the card says George Metkovich."
If buyer is concerned he should send the card to PSA for review and/or verification. I have done this with several cards and PSA has always corrected the problem and reimbursed me for any money lost.
It's an authentication error...