Ebay buyer to block

PRIZ430

This Ebay buyer, buys a coin... admits to taking it around to "coin experts" to determine value, trying to get offers more than his purchase price... then well after the 14 day return period opens a NOT AS DESCRIBED return, so he can return the coin and stick me with the return shipping expense, claiming the coin is not authentic, even though he previously confirmed it was authentic. PM me for their name...

MFeld

If you didn’t already do so, I’d forward the buyer’s confession to EBay and fight the return.

1peter1223

@PRIZ430 said:
This Ebay buyer, buys a coin... admits to taking it around to "coin experts" to determine value, trying to get offers more than his purchase price... then well after the 14 day return period opens a NOT AS DESCRIBED return, so he can return the coin and stick me with the return shipping expense, claiming the coin is not authentic, even though he previously confirmed it was authentic. PM me for their name...

This has happened to me too . Abuse of the SNAD claim . It's part of the reason some sellers have given up on Ebay .
Can you PM his Ebay screen name so i can block him ? Thanks.

Lazybones

Ebay has turned into an "approval" service. That's why I haven't sold on that site for years.

jmlanzaf

@Lazybones said:
Ebay has turned into an "approval" service. That's why I haven't sold on that site for years.

Bit of an exaggeration. I have had one such return in the last 8000 sales.

derryb

pm me id, thanks

MarkKelley

I'd like his ID, thanks.

1peter1223

@MFeld said:
If you didn’t already do so, I’d forward the buyer’s confession to EBay and fight the return.

In my experience they are extremely difficult to win , especially lately .
It's more about the CC companies siding with the buyer , so ebay ( does not want to get stuck with the loss ) goes along with it almost always .

vplite99

Sadly, eBay is a fruitful venue for scammers.

MasonG

@MFeld said:
If you didn’t already do so, I’d forward the buyer’s confession to EBay and fight the return.

He could try. Who knows what might happen?

I had a buyer who filed a SNAD claim specifically because he didn't want to pay to return the coin. He told me this through the eBay message system. I contacted eBay and told them to check the messages he sent me. They did, and agreed the buyer was abusing their SNAD policy. They told me I had to pay for the return shipping anyway.

jdimmick

Ebay is requiring the buyer to pay for return shipping in most cases from what i am hearing and seeing'.

Had one guy contact me after 28 days to return a gsa because he couldnt never get ebay to remove the sales tax, filed a snad also, The ebay rep told him to do so. I am eating the return shipping as we speak, all I can do is block him from future bidding

SoFlo

Awhile back I had a guy that wanted to return a solar control panel after he had it for three months. Even went as far to say that if I didn't accept the return, he'd leave negative feedback. I contacted Ebay and they even laughed at that one.

TwoSides2aCoin

PM sent. Looking forward to adding another undesirable to my list.

AUandAG

ourancestorsattic might be the perp.

bob

numbersman

Please PM me the name.....thanks.

Coinscratch

Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

PRIZ430

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

jmlanzaf

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

MFeld

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

How about the actual description? That’s what would be relevant to me.

PerryHall

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

The OP stated that the buyer shopped it around for two weeks in the hope of selling it for a profit and when he couldn't he decided to return it. Sounds like someone to block. I would like to get a link to the OP's original listing.

Jzyskowski1

@vplite99 said:
Sadly, eBay is a fruitful venue for scammers.

And you tube and etsy and on and on. Buyer responsibility is something of a by gone era. 🤓🙀

jesbroken

Yes, I would like to see the auction. Is PRIZ430 your ebay seller name? I would block the buyer in a moment with some additional facts.
Jim

Connecticoin

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

The OP stated that the buyer shopped it around for two weeks in the hope of selling it for a profit and when he couldn't he decided to return it. Sounds like someone to block. I would like to get a link to the OP's original listing.

Same here, would be helpful to see the listing to get some context to the situation.

Coinscratch

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

The OP stated that the buyer shopped it around for two weeks in the hope of selling it for a profit and when he couldn't he decided to return it. Sounds like someone to block. I would like to get a link to the OP's original listing.

So the buyer told the seller he was trying to make a profit. Sounds highly unlikely but the OP states this so, I have to assume this is true. And again I'm not siding either way w/o all of the facts. And yes, if it is true I suppose blocking this buyer is a good idea.

jmlanzaf

@Connecticoin said:

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

The OP stated that the buyer shopped it around for two weeks in the hope of selling it for a profit and when he couldn't he decided to return it. Sounds like someone to block. I would like to get a link to the OP's original listing.

Same here, would be helpful to see the listing to get some context to the situation.

There are always two sides to every story.

jmlanzaf

@CoinscratchFever said:

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

The OP stated that the buyer shopped it around for two weeks in the hope of selling it for a profit and when he couldn't he decided to return it. Sounds like someone to block. I would like to get a link to the OP's original listing.

So the buyer told the seller he was trying to make a profit. Sounds highly unlikely but the OP states this so, I have to assume this is true. And again I'm not siding either way w/o all of the facts. And yes, if it is true I suppose blocking this buyer is a good idea.

The buyer may have told the OP that he showed it to several dealers and the OP is inferring that he was trying to sell it.

I'm not going to block anyone without more context. There are legitimate reasons to return an item. There are also legitimate reasons to ask for second opinions.

A link to the listing would be helpful and doesn't "out" the buyer as we can't see their name.

TwoSides2aCoin

@jmlanzaf said:

@CoinscratchFever said:

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

The OP stated that the buyer shopped it around for two weeks in the hope of selling it for a profit and when he couldn't he decided to return it. Sounds like someone to block. I would like to get a link to the OP's original listing.

So the buyer told the seller he was trying to make a profit. Sounds highly unlikely but the OP states this so, I have to assume this is true. And again I'm not siding either way w/o all of the facts. And yes, if it is true I suppose blocking this buyer is a good idea.

The buyer may have told the OP that he showed it to several dealers and the OP is inferring that he was trying to sell it.

I'm not going to block anyone without more context. There are legitimate reasons to return an item. There are also legitimate reasons to ask for second opinions.

A link to the listing would be helpful and doesn't "out" the buyer as we can't see their name.

One ought to file a SNAD with eBay within the same time frame as federal laws protect consumers for right of rescission. I believe that is 72 hours within receiving the item. ( it's even more disturbing if an auction item.

jmlanzaf

@TwoSides2aCoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@CoinscratchFever said:

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

The OP stated that the buyer shopped it around for two weeks in the hope of selling it for a profit and when he couldn't he decided to return it. Sounds like someone to block. I would like to get a link to the OP's original listing.

So the buyer told the seller he was trying to make a profit. Sounds highly unlikely but the OP states this so, I have to assume this is true. And again I'm not siding either way w/o all of the facts. And yes, if it is true I suppose blocking this buyer is a good idea.

The buyer may have told the OP that he showed it to several dealers and the OP is inferring that he was trying to sell it.

I'm not going to block anyone without more context. There are legitimate reasons to return an item. There are also legitimate reasons to ask for second opinions.

A link to the listing would be helpful and doesn't "out" the buyer as we can't see their name.

One ought to file a SNAD with eBay within the same time frame as federal laws protect consumers for right of rescission. I believe that is 72 hours within receiving the item. ( it's even more disturbing if an auction item.

Credit card companies often allow 180 days for charge backs.

Ebay's return privileges are not more generous than Amazon, Walmart or any other online retailer. If you want ebay to be MORE restrictive than the current standard, then you simply want eBay to fail.

MFeld

@TwoSides2aCoin said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@CoinscratchFever said:

@PerryHall said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@PRIZ430 said:

@CoinscratchFever said:
Not exactly siding with the buyer but how did you pose this sale? Did you sell it as a specific grade? If not then he doesn’t have much to stand on but, if you claimed it was anything more than what it actually was then you would lose your footing.
Anyway, my vague response to a very vague statement.

No grade assumed. It was a RAW coin.

That doesn't really answer the question. I assign a grade to my raw coins when I sell them.

The OP stated that the buyer shopped it around for two weeks in the hope of selling it for a profit and when he couldn't he decided to return it. Sounds like someone to block. I would like to get a link to the OP's original listing.

So the buyer told the seller he was trying to make a profit. Sounds highly unlikely but the OP states this so, I have to assume this is true. And again I'm not siding either way w/o all of the facts. And yes, if it is true I suppose blocking this buyer is a good idea.

The buyer may have told the OP that he showed it to several dealers and the OP is inferring that he was trying to sell it.

I'm not going to block anyone without more context. There are legitimate reasons to return an item. There are also legitimate reasons to ask for second opinions.

A link to the listing would be helpful and doesn't "out" the buyer as we can't see their name.

One ought to file a SNAD with eBay within the same time frame as federal laws protect consumers for right of rescission. I believe that is 72 hours within receiving the item. ( it's even more disturbing if an auction item.

An SNAD claim should be filed within whatever time frame EBay mandates.

Coinnmore

Please pm me the names thank you

derryb

@jmlanzaf said:

There are always two sides to every story.

How long before the postal thief gets his day in forum court?

And with the limitless good buyers on ebay I will always side with a believable story from a fellow forum member.
This tread, like others before it, will lead to the continued restraint of forum ebay sellers to report to fellow forum members their experience with a bad buyer. It just ain't worth it when you end up having to defend yourself. Thanks to the OP and others who, in the face of criticism, attempt to warn their fellow members.

My outlook on this topic is to either heed the warning or ignore it. Questioning it serves no purpose.

MFeld

@derryb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

There are always two sides to every story.

How long before the postal thief gets his day in forum court?

And with the limitless good buyers on ebay I will always side with a believable story from a fellow forum member.
This tread, like others before it, will lead to the continued restraint of forum ebay sellers to report to fellow forum members their experience with a bad buyer. It just ain't worth it when you end up having to defend yourself. Thanks to the OP and others who, in the face of criticism, attempt to warn their fellow members.

My outlook on this topic is to either heed the warning or ignore it. Questioning it serves no purpose.

I think it’s fair and reasonable to keep in mind, that no matter who the fellow forum member is, there’s another side. And asking to see the listing does serve a purpose.

derryb

@MFeld said:

@derryb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

There are always two sides to every story.

How long before the postal thief gets his day in forum court?

And with the limitless good buyers on ebay I will always side with a believable story from a fellow forum member.
This tread, like others before it, will lead to the continued restraint of forum ebay sellers to report to fellow forum members their experience with a bad buyer. It just ain't worth it when you end up having to defend yourself. Thanks to the OP and others who, in the face of criticism, attempt to warn their fellow members.

My outlook on this topic is to either heed the warning or ignore it. Questioning it serves no purpose.

I think it’s fair and reasonable to keep in mind, that no matter who the fellow forum member is, there’s another side. And asking to see the listing does serve a purpose.

The person providing the warning dictates the detail he will provide. Heed his warning or don't. I personally don't care to see all the "evidence." It's a simple case of believing him or not. I can understand a request for further details if the OP is seeking advice. He is not. He is sharing a bad selling experience. And as I stated, with the number of good buyers on ebay why even take a chance that the warning is BS. Forum "ebay buyer court" serves no purpose for me, but obviously provides an opportunity for others to demonstrate their cross examination skills.

Take it (or don't) for what it is - a warning

derryb

@Lazybones said:
Ebay has turned into always been an "approval" service.

Fixed it for ya. But, I still love ebay.

ifthevamzarockin

Blocked...... no questions asked other than buyer ID.

Coinscratch

@derryb It does serve a purpose and a perfect parallel would be today’s politics and cancel culture.
But as you know we cannot delve into such topics here. I’m pretty sure that you are smart enough to understand what I’m talking about.

Now, would I trust another forum members story before I would an EBay customer of mine? Sure, why not!
Can any person in our society sign up to be a forum member? I think so.

So I suppose once you become a forum member you’re automatically in the circle of trust.

Look, I get it man. The OP is almost assuredly trustworthy, the buyer is definitely a cheapskate, and I understand you from an EBay sellers point that your busy and don’t have time for this kind of nonsense.

But if someone is going to come on here in an effort to give warning while simultaneously canceling another person then you had better be willing to disclose the entire transaction.

jmlanzaf

@CoinscratchFever said:
@derryb It does serve a purpose and a perfect parallel would be today’s politics and cancel culture.
But as you know we cannot delve into such topics here. I’m pretty sure that you are smart enough to understand what I’m talking about.

Now, would I trust another forum members story before I would an EBay customer of mine? Sure, why not!
Can any person in our society sign up to be a forum member? I think so.

So I suppose once you become a forum member you’re automatically in the circle of trust.

Look, I get it man. The OP is almost assuredly trustworthy, the buyer is definitely a cheapskate, and I understand you from an EBay sellers point that your busy and don’t have time for this kind of nonsense.

But if someone is going to come on here in an effort to give warning while simultaneously canceling another person then you had better be willing to disclose the entire transaction.

I don't know the OP. I have no reason to trust or distrust him. I also don't know the buyer and have no reason to trust or distrust him.

Is it so implausible that the RAW coin the OP sold had some problem that wasn't obvious until the buyer had it in hand? @derryb spent more time telling the rest of us that we don't need any further evidence than it would have taken the OP to simply supply the link to the original listing.

derryb

derryb spent the rest of the time telling you why HE doesn't need the evidence. No need to put the OP on trial for trying to provide a public service. It discourages such public service from others.

Coinscratch

@derryb said:
derryb spent the rest of the time telling you why HE doesn't need the evidence. No need to put the OP on trial for trying to provide a public service. It discourages such public service from others.

It would not discourage me, very little if any ever would. The OP isn't on trial however, he did bring a case.

derryb

@CoinscratchFever said:

The OP isn't on trial however, he did bring a case.

No, he shared a bad experience with an ebay buyer. He didn't bring the charges to "forum court." Subsequent posters turned it into a kangaroo court for not only him, but also anyone who defends his right to not have to participate in court proceedings.

derryb

@MFeld said:

I think it’s fair and reasonable to keep in mind, that no matter who the fellow forum member is, there’s another side. And asking to see the listing does serve a purpose.

The only purpose it could serve would be in helping to form an opinion. He didn't seek one nor did he need one. He simply shared a bad buying experience for the benefit of those who now have the option of not dealing with his buyer.

jmlanzaf

@derryb said:

@CoinscratchFever said:

The OP isn't on trial however, he did bring a case.

No, he shared a bad experience with an ebay buyer. He didn't bring the charges to "forum court." Subsequent posters turned it into a kangaroo court.

Not true. We asked for context. That hardly constitutes a kangaroo court

derryb

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:

@CoinscratchFever said:

The OP isn't on trial however, he did bring a case.

No, he shared a bad experience with an ebay buyer. He didn't bring the charges to "forum court." Subsequent posters turned it into a kangaroo court.

Not true. We asked for context. That hardly constitutes a kangaroo court

Court is now in session, Honorable Jmlan presiding.

Seller gave you plenty of context in the OP:

"This Ebay buyer, buys a coin... admits to taking it around to "coin experts" to determine value, trying to get offers more than his purchase price... then well after the 14 day return period opens a NOT AS DESCRIBED return, so he can return the coin and stick me with the return shipping expense, claiming the coin is not authentic, even though he previously confirmed it was authentic."

Simple, you either believe him or you don't. He didn't demand that you block them, he simply offered to share their ID.

derryb

@derryb said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@derryb said:

@CoinscratchFever said:

The OP isn't on trial however, he did bring a case.

No, he shared a bad experience with an ebay buyer. He didn't bring the charges to "forum court." Subsequent posters turned it into a kangaroo court.

Not true. We asked for context. That hardly constitutes a kangaroo court

Court is now in session, Honorable Jmlan presiding.

Seller gave you plenty of context in the OP:

"This Ebay buyer, buys a coin... admits to taking it around to "coin experts" to determine value, trying to get offers more than his purchase price... then well after the 14 day return period opens a NOT AS DESCRIBED return, so he can return the coin and stick me with the return shipping expense, claiming the coin is not authentic, even though he previously confirmed it was authentic."

Simple, you either believe him or you don't. He didn't demand that you block them, he simply offered to share their ID. Maybe you should ask him to post the ebay messaging involved. LOL

Jzyskowski1

derryb. Buddy I think what’s being asked for is enough information for say. me to form an opinion. That’s whats missing. Some of us like to form our own conclusions. I don’t think you need to accept the op at face value but wanting a little background is in no way a court proceeding. It’s common sense to take a look at both sides. Thank you 🙏

Coinscratch

Currently the only evidence we have is a testimony. I call on the OP to bring forth real and/ or documented evidence. Jurors are not to be swayed by sympathy.

derryb

And while the OP rested his case in the first post, the proceedings continue without him. LOL

Barberian

I return a lot of coins as well, mainly because of cleaning that was hidden in the seller's photos and not mentioned in the description. Some coin photos are so doctored that it takes a close look to verify that it's the same coin. I return the coin and let the dealer know why. One seller blocked me until I asked him why I'm blocked. He promptly unblocked me.

Yes, eBay becomes an approval service when sellers do not accurately represent their coins. The buyer should pay for the return postage, though.

CoinJunkie

@Jzyskowski1 said:
derryb. Buddy I think what’s being asked for is enough information for say. me to form an opinion. That’s whats missing. Some of us like to form our own conclusions. I don’t think you need to accept the op at face value but wanting a little background is in no way a court proceeding. It’s common sense to take a look at both sides. Thank you 🙏

The OP gave you his side of the story. You're not going to get the buyer's side. Apparently the OP is not going to provide more context. If you don't want to block the buyer under those circumstances, I suggest you simply move on. The chances that you'd ever encounter the buyer in question are very slim anyway.

ifthevamzarockin

The OP did not post the buyer ID and asked for PM's if you want it.

If you need more details the OP may share that in a PM but would rather not post it in the thread.
The OP may not give any additional info because a transaction between them and their customer is none of your business.

It's real simple, send a PM or don't send a PM. Block if you want or don't block.

jmlanzaf

@ifthevamzarockin said:
The OP did not post the buyer ID and asked for PM's if you want it.

If you need more details the OP may share that in a PM but would rather not post it in the thread.
The OP may not give any additional info because a transaction between them and their customer is none of your business.

It's real simple, send a PM or don't send a PM. Block if you want or don't block.

That's what we did.

Somehow, a few people are criticizing us for choosing to not block without at least seeing the listing. I'm not sure why such a request should upset anyone.