1989 UD Ken Griffey Jr #1 B&W Blank Back. Proof? or Poof? $90,000!!
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Is this something someone should care about? Or the $90,000 price tag just another typical ebay pricing Crack-pipe-dream? And why wouldn't you get it graded to legitimize it as a proof and not someone's desk top concoction?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184666543626?hash=item2afefbd60a:g:etEAAOSwbmJgKxUZ
This still remains on the net. Same thing for $177, also not graded:
https://www.memorabilia.expert/shop/1989-upper-deck-1-ken-griffey-jr-rookie-black-white-test-proof/
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Where are the other "proofs"? They would NOT make them of just 1 player for a huge set like that.....probably bogus.
I would think that a "proof" card would be perfectly centered.
There are literally 100 of these proof type cards for sale on the bay... How many are just photocopies..?
To me it looks like someone just photocopied an actual card.. With no authentication, no go for me.
As far as the concept of a "proof" it is designed so it can be analyzed or approval or correction.. I have no idea what you can tell from this specimen.
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I have a handful of some '89 UD Blank Backs -- but they are full color on the front. I don't think they are "Proofs" I forget who I had -- I think Gooden and Clemens for sure -- I'll have to try and dig those up
I saw those. The full color front with blank back. I just took one look at this B&W Griffey "Proof", the price, and figured "Scammeroonie". Then that first impression was reinforced when I saw the webpage with them being offered for $177, which still looks to me to be about 177 times it's value.
I figured, let me ask here because I'm no where near as savvy about the issues and their variations from say, 1985 to present as I am about pre 1985 cards.
before topps vault kinda proofs or post factory sheet cuts, my experience is that most proofs are indeed off centered. vintage wise at least. ie ‘77 reggie jackson
definitely not implying that the griffey is legit though.
And what would be the series of likely events to follow the astronomically unlikely chance that some poor schnook with 90,000 times more money than brains hits the BIN, pays for it, has a few opinions given on it over the next week or so who all come to that same conclusion? That he had 90,000 times more money than brains? Would just a civil suit follow if he couldn't return it? Or is there criminality involved, especially at that dollar level?
seller offers no questions asked returns.
Well, ebay is good about protecting their buyers; even to the peril of the seller when in cases that the buyer is NOT always right, and of course payment through paypal, especially funded by a credit card is fairly much a lock, can't lose logistics for the buyer. This is true even if a seller stipulates "no returns" or "as is" in the listing, the buyer will still have right of return if the item is "not as represented or not as pictured", which innumerable arguments can be made to support.
But with an item like this, likely priced thousands of times its actual value, if at all legitimately what it's purported by the seller to be, I would be inclined to think the odds favor the seller taking the money and running long before the card even gets to the owner, unless the funds are put on hold, if ebay does that with managed payments, I'm not sure if they what paypal did with large transactions, and the seller has no recourse other to wait out the payment until the buyer receives his item and approves.