Issue with pack grading at PSA?
Meritmat
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Hello
I recently sent in 9 unopened baseball/football packs to be graded. Last Friday all 9 were rejected
N5 Altered Stock. I finally got a hold of somebody that did some asking. They said they had compression damage…..All there’s packs were bought off eBay years ago and put in a shoe box and forgot about. Some I did not even unwrap. These packs are from the 1950/60/70
I find it very hard to believe all of them had this. Plus I still got billed 500 bucks processing fee 
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I'm guessing they were sold to you like that. Searched. For those of us who collect unopened we are thankful they were rejected. I think it's the Ebayer (s) you should be taking issue with. Ebay is rife with people trying to pass opened and searched as unopened.
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
They told me they authentic and unopened. Plus theses were bought 7-8 years ago before the price exploded so I don’t see why anybody would mess with them
Packs have been tampered with for as long as cards have been worth money. For packs from the 1950s-1970s they could have been resealed 40+ years ago.
N5 Altered Stock means that they did not pass authentication by Steve Hart who inspects all packs submitted to PSA. It is unfortunately not uncommon for wax packs to be resealed and buying them on ebay, even a decade or longer ago, is like navigating a virtual minefield as there have been many "pack factories" over the years pumping out bad packs.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Also, PSA does not refund the submission fee if the packs fail authentication.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Assume you meant “did not pass authentication”? Or do you mean Steve liked them but PSA saw something they didn’t like afterwards?
Jim
"N5 Altered Stock means that they did pass authentication by Steve Hart "
Typo right? Did not?
I noticed your GAI pack in the pic you posted. I'm curious if any of the packs you sent in came out of a GAI pack or were they all "raw" packs or "ungraded"?
Yes, thanks, I meant did not pass authentication by Steve.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Correct.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
Also, you will usually see his handwritten note "No Good" under the label sticker on the card saver when you get the pack back.
Collecting 1970s Topps baseball wax, rack and cello packs, as well as PCGS graded Half Cents, Large Cents, Two Cent pieces and Three Cent Silver pieces.
And everyone in prison is innocent.
This would be the first case I've ever heard of in the industry of pack searching pre-2013.
interesting on the GAI red back, did you cut it out of the GAI holder. honestly that is the easiest pack to fake. looking at the 77 topps pack it looks like the fold is crunched on the left corner. and the 78? football in the box looks incredibly loose. but better pics will probably get the , of course they are resealed. you should have come to the boards before and saved a bunch of moeny.
as Tim pointed out, pack factories have been around and way before 7-8 years ago. and not just expensive packs! There was a guy in the early 2000's who probably produced more 79 Topps packs than Topps did in 79 and these things were only worth 5 bucks a piece at the time.
Like others have said, packs were certainly being resealed in the mid 80's and ever since. Even 7-8 years ago, the rule of thumb is that if it's on ebay and not graded, you should assume it's resealed.
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It’s more important if they were bought the year of issue.
no all were bought from ebay back in the day
Good stuff posted here.
If they have been opened or tampered with by all means I have no problem with them being rejected. Wish there would have been more info on why but maybe there will be some hand writen notes when they get returned. Interesting stuff. thanks for all the help
Some GAI cert #'s are good and some aren't. I don't follow them close enough to know where the cert # needs to be for it to check out and if yours falls into that range or not. I'm sure someone else knows a lot more about it than me.
I’m going to open that 1952 pack. For the cards should I look for a smaller plastic holder or will the regular sized ones work?
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@Meritmat welcome to the boards!
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
I sent in 44 packs from 77 and 78. All but one came back N5 (altered). I opened all (the 43 bad) and all were bad cards. Steve did a great job and I was out 600. plus what I paid for each pack(not bought on ebay) . Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear eats you. Experience is a cruel teacher, but a fool will have no other.