PCGS 74-D DDO Kennedy

HuliganRS

I was wondering about the "Street" price for one in MS-65 or MS-66?

Any help would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Rusty.

keithdagen

Expensive -- there are very few graded higher than MS-64.

HuliganRS

Keith: What price range are we talking about for 64/65/66?

Thanks,

Rusty.

braddick

I thought one in MS65 could be had for under $200.00 whereas one in 64 is half that, give or take.
the MS66's are super tough and pricey, agreed.

keithdagen

Teletrade shows the coins ranging from $36 to $95 in grades form 63 to 65 over the last year.

If you are struggling to find a PCGS example, find an ANACS or NGC and try crossing it. The population on the PCGS side is real low, and I see the other services' coins regularly for this issue.

HuliganRS

Can someone check the POP to see what the #'s look like?

Thanks,

Rusty

Bcsican

pop #s as of 5/18/02

8 MS 64
33/ MS 65
27/MS 66
5/MS 67

braddick

Matt, are you sure that is for the 74D/D? I thought the MS64 Pop was much higher than that.

keithdagen

Current online pop is:

MS-63 -- 8
MS-64 -- 38
MS-65 -- 28
MS-66 -- 5
4 in AU or less
None higher

braddick

Thanks Keith. That's better.

HuliganRS

WoW !!!

MS-66 must be exxxpensive!!!
Looks like MS-65 is the way to go!
I'm thinking of picking up an ANACS MS-64 and break it out for a chance at PCGS MS-64.

Whada you think about ANACS grading?

Thanks,

Rusty.

RJB

Ebay has a PCGS MS64 up for auction now. #1364506416 and the current price is $56.00 with 12 bids and 2 days left. Good luck. The price is really dependent on the die stage of the coin. The earlier the die stage the crisper and the more pronounced the doubling. Also if you can, try for a white or lightly toned coin as dark toning can hide the doubling. Ken Potter has some nice examples of this doubled die on his web site if you do not mind buying a raw one, at least you know you will receive a nice crisp example. As far as ANACS goes their grading has tightened up some and they are close to PCGS, but you can not beat them for attributions. PCGS as far as I know still does not place attribution numbers on their slabs. The will only list the coin as being a doubled die obverse. BOB

HuliganRS

RJB: What is the URL for Ken Potter's web site?

Thanks,

Rusty.

HuliganRS

Never mind...

I found the web site... No 72-D ...

Rusty.

RJB

You said a 72-D? Did you mean a 74-D? Try this URL http://koinpro.tripod.com/index.htm and go under the error/variety section. In this section there are 2 different areas to find Kennedy halves. The first is about 1/2 down the page in the variety section and you will find several different 74D DDO's with one being a ANACS MS64 which I am sure you can barter down in price as Ken is pretty good about this. Let me know if you have problems finding this. BOB

Bcsican

Sorry guys I had my MS #s in the wrong slots, a few increases though in the pop #s

HuliganRS

You are right! I meant 74-D.

I see what you are talking about!

$110 for MS-64 ANACS wow... a little pricey... but I will e-mail him and see if we can work it out!

Thanks for the heads up!


Rusty.

keithdagen

5 new 64's and 1 new 65 since your report, Matt.

Russ

Link for the eBay auction mentioned above. Now at $78.

Russ, NCNE

HuliganRS

It looks like a pretty popular coin in PCGS holder...
Everyone must be jumping into the weighted sets w/ varieties...

I figure this coin will sell right at $100. Looks like same people are bidding ...

Whada ya think?

Rusty.

Russ

The current high bidder on the coin buys a lot of Kennedys, and he's not afraid to bid strong money.

Russ, NCNE

braddick

I wouldn't go over $100.00. These do come up somewhat frequently. Also, they can be had in other Service holders for less and the crossover is likely in MS64.

cladmaker

Hi Rusty,
The 1974-d dd half on my auction is a nice solid coin for the grade. We always think they should be in a 65 holder when in a 64 holder It is well struck and good doubling (possibly early die state) The last
one I had on auction went for $117.00 if memory serves correctly (not always)
cladmaker

HuliganRS

Cladmaker: Do you think this one will go over $100?


Rusty.

cladmaker

Hi Rusty,
I have no idea depends on the bidders and who wants it I hope it cracks a hunderd or more
It is a real nice coin.
cladmaker

Cocoinut

I've got to believe there are a lot of '74-D double die halves that are still in Mint Sets. That's where a lot of them can be found. When I first saw a picture of it about 10-12 years ago, I checked the 5 sets I had purchased from the Mint back in 1974. Sure enough, one of the sets had the double die half; I'd grade it MS64. I later checked the sets that my brother had bought, and one of his 5 sets also had one, and it was nicer than mine! It's been a popular variety with error collectors, and I've seen quite a few raw ones in coin shops and at shows. Publicity and higher prices should bring more of them out of hiding, and into slabs. I don't know exactly when PCGS began attributing that variety, but it's not listed in the October 1999 population report, but by the July 2000 report, there were 5 of them graded.

Jim

cladking

I was late to the party on this coin. Somehow or other I had missed finding it
on my own and overlooked reports of others finding it. When I learned of it's
existence around 1995, I found only one coin in 240 sets. It looks as though
that was a fluke, though. The incidence appears now to be closer to about one
in 80 original sets. The coin typically comes with a weak strike and some marking.
Usually when one set in a box of five is this DDO then there will be at least 1 or 2
more with it.

Nearly half of 1974 mint sets have already been destroyed, and many of the intact
sets have already been checked for this coin.

HuliganRS

CladKing: It's up to $88 ... not that much to go...

As a side note, I found one RAW that has a very good chance at cracking 65...

As far as I see it, If a PCGS MS-64 can bring $100-$120 now and PCGS going live with the CS w/Varieties MS-65 speciment should bring at least $250 IMHO. and judging by the numbers 28 in MS-65 this is a pretty low pop coin...

Whada ya tink?

Rusty.

HuliganRS

If you guys had to guestimate... What's the mintage number for the 74-D DDO?

cladking

40,000 went into mint sets. 30-35,000 still exist.
150,000 into bags. 25,000 still unc, another 100,000 in lower grades.
I'm not overly confident about the numbers not in sets. The few I've
seen that didn't come from sets were very poor strikes.

HuliganRS

So what would an educated guestimate be for the MS-63 and up?

cladking

MS-63 10,000
MS-64 5,000
MS-65 2,000
MS-66 400
MS-67 0

There are a lot of assumptions here since I haven't seen enough high grade
examples to make a statistically significant sample. Of course many of these
will never be graded and many ex-mint set coins are sitting in rolls which will
or may in the future be circulated or destroyed.

HuliganRS

WoW !!!
So in "Real" world these numbers should reflect in price! right?

MS-64 --> $100 OK I see that...
MS-65 --> $250 seems a bit low...
MS-66 --> $750 ? Does that sound right?

keithdagen

Rusty,

Very few guys collect the varieties, so those prices are not indicitive of where the market will necessarily go. I think it's a neat coin to have, but by no means necessary. Concentrate on one with strong doubling, regardless of grade.

Does anyone know when the variety was added to the Red Book?