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  • goldengolden Posts: 9,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would vote yes.

  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd like to post something similar, a solid no problem grade on a note that was clearly washed and pressed. But I have to figure out how to make a case and still stay within forum rules. A recent auction pickup for me, at least still worth what I paid for it but by my standards shouldn't have gotten the grade it did.

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  • Serial_no_8Serial_no_8 Posts: 422 ✭✭✭

    I have to agree with "Golden." Although it is hard to tell from just looking at the images posted, both notes look more in the "Fine" zone to me. There appears to be stains around the serial number on both. Each note looks very soiled (much too dark) to get VF25-30 (mind you no EPQ designation). I can see pressed out major creases horizontally but its harder to discern the typical vertical centre creases.

    It would really help to see the reverse of each SC. I always examine the backside of banknotes since they seem to show creases better & typically it's easier to see minor wear on the back (compared to the front/obverse).

  • tomtomtomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭

    I would respectfully disagree...PMG 30..10 folds with soiling...PMG 25 more folds than a 30...they didn't get an epq so obviously with cleaned/pressed etc...maybe in hand there are more creases but I feel that their grades are about right.

  • Steve_in_TampaSteve_in_Tampa Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2021 2:38PM

    @tomtomtomtom said:
    I would respectfully disagree...PMG 30..10 folds with soiling...PMG 25 more folds than a 30...they didn't get an epq so obviously with cleaned/pressed etc...maybe in hand there are more creases but I feel that their grades are about right.

    I also agree with @tomtomtomtom

  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tomtomtomtom said:
    I would respectfully disagree...PMG 30..10 folds with soiling...PMG 25 more folds than a 30...they didn't get an epq so obviously with cleaned/pressed etc...maybe in hand there are more creases but I feel that their grades are about right.

    IMHO cleaned and pressed should be so noted on holder, not copping out by instead putting EPQ or PPQ on the holder to note originality.

    In memory of my kitty Seryozha 14.2.1996 ~ 13.9.2016 and Shadow 3.4.2015 - 16.4.21
  • tomtomtomtomtomtomtomtom Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 31, 2021 4:14PM

    If it's not "original"...well what happened to it to not be original?...washed, pressed, bleached, oxycleaned, acetoned etc...I would venture a guess that a great percentage of large size notes w/o an epq have been "cleaned up" or doctored in some way before being graded....small sized are not much different

  • Serial_no_8Serial_no_8 Posts: 422 ✭✭✭

    From PMG:

    VF-25 "A note that shows modest evidence of circulation as well as more folds and/or soiling than a note graded 30."

    VF-30 "This note will be lightly circulated and may have light soiling. There will typically be seven to ten folds."

    You be the judge but that's not light soiling in my books ( a big pass for me ). Neither look washed - so the lack of EPQ actually becomes irrelevant (for me) at this point.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that the grades are accurate, although I might have assigned the 30 a 25 instead. The 25 looks right on the money (Bad pun intended).

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • TennisCoachTennisCoach Posts: 302 ✭✭✭

    I would have assigned both notes grades of VF 25.

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  • Cody71086Cody71086 Posts: 58 ✭✭

    Both 25s to me. Sub 35 grades have always been an Achilles' heel for PMG.

  • Steve_in_TampaSteve_in_Tampa Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice 1953B $5 SC replacement note @BadWithMoney. Easily a 4 or 5 figure note in higher grades.

  • Steve_in_TampaSteve_in_Tampa Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Published price guides are good for “ballpark” pricing but recent, sold auction prices are probably a better barometer to gauge current trends and prices.

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