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Asset Marketing Services is suing JAM Products and Stephen Harris, under the Hobby Protection Act
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Someone recently sent me a court decision, where a Federal Judge (Who has done a Hobby Protection Act Case before) ruled that the Asset Marketing Services (AMS) can sue JAM Products under the Hobby protection Act.
I think almost all of us are familiar with AMS the huge telemarketing coin firm, but I have not heard of JAM Products or Steven Harris. Is anyone familiar with JAM Products, inc. or Steven Harris?
Anyone know what the case is about? Does anyone have the ability to pull the case filings? All I know is what is in the recent decision, and there is nothing about the merits of the case.
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Here ya go if you want to pay for an account(I'm assuming)
https://pacermonitor.com/public/case/29423299/Asset_Marketing_Services,_LLC_v_JAM_Products,_Incet_al
I've never heard of the parties involved but Steven Harris has a description of JAM Products dba S&A Partners on his LinkedIn profile.
He was previously VP Marketing at CSN:
CSN. Currently featuring Mr.Mezak ase coin program. He’s been nice to me. He’s a big player 😊
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Not curious enough to pay. Thanks for the link it did provide me some additional information about what was going on. There was a document talking about records being sealed, so maybe I cannot get what I want anyway.
Also, it looks like JAM Products counter sued AMS. The plot thickens!
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Asset Marketing Services, LLC v. JAM Products, Inc.et al
0:2019cv02113
Minnesota District Court
Several of the filings are sealed, but there's an order on the subject... whatever is in there, neither party wants revealed, there is a joint motion to keep sealed.
The proposed jury instruction run 51 pages, but the jist of the case seems to be:
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Thanks Burton, this is very interesting. I will definitely be curious on how this one comes out.
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Yep. And frankly, the whole hobby protection act smells bogus.
The HPA keeps fakes out. Says nothing about contractual relationships.
Sure, if you & I sign an agreement that you'll help me with the marketing plan for this thing I'm going to import and you won't import it yourself... there could be a breach of contract if you go ahead and import it. But that doesn't change the definition of fake.
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i'm not sure how the HPA fits into that lawsuit,
I'm guessing that the importing issue is from business X has a sole seller for USA agreement with the maker of the cap coins. and Y got them gray market style via buying them from a foreign seller Z and importing them into the USA.
but that's just a guess. I don't see what's in the lawsuit that might violate the HPA unless JAM made something similar to something AMS holds rights to. but that is another guess.
Just be thankful you don't get called for jury duty on a case like this. They can drag on for weeks. 51 pages of jury instructions!!!!!!
I can't say I know what's going on here but I'm going to avoid all Fiji Coca-Cola issues until the dust settles. Not sure they belong in my collection anyway.
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Here is what I am reading into the lawsuit. I think that AMS is saying that the coins JAM has have not been officially authorized by FIJI as legal tender which makes them imitation numismatic items. Seems similar to "not Monetized" argument the US Government made on the 1933 Double eagles. Sounds like it will be up to a jury to see if the AMS claim has any merit.
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There is nothing in the HPA concerning an authorized importer or grey market. It's purely about the reproduction numismatic items. If these are the genuine coins, then that's 0-for-2 in my score card. But I admit I'm too cheap to download the entire complaint and not bored enough to read it.
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Alright I lied. I downloaded the original complaint which is based on the Collectable Coin Protection Act not the Hobby Protection Act, although 15 U.S.C. § 2101 at b is the HPA
The CCPA: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/house-bill/2754/text
It still makes no sense (a) is the political items, (b) the HPA.
Unless they are alleging that JAM is importing FAKE Fiji Coke Bottle Cap coins? But that's straight forward HPA has nothing to do with any contract issues. The whole thing smells of a spaghetti complaint (throw at wall and see what sticks).
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I think the importation part is one allegation and the HPA violation a separate one