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This half dollar can only be a 1970-D, so why doesn't PCGS label it as such?

braddickbraddick Posts: 24,634 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 17, 2021 9:48AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I know the "0" is not visible, yet the mintmark is on the obverse; this one must be a 1970-D as it is also struck on a 40% planchet. I am curious as to why PCGS wouldn't state so on the insert. Other coins that are easily identifiable as to the date yet with the date worn off (like a Chain cent or a type 1 Buffalo nickel) will.


INFO REGARDING THE AUCTION:

Collectors CornerSM coin information: (data courtesy of PCGS.com *)
PCGS Coin #: 6713
PCGS Coin Description: 1970-D 50C
Mintage: 2,150,000
Grade: MS61
PCGS Population: * 3View
Population (in higher grades): * 7,698
PCGS Price Guide: * $8.00View
Auction Prices Realized: * Auction Prices Realized
Additional resources: PCGS CoinFacts
PCGS Set Registry:
(Top 3 of 47 composite sets for this coin)

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  • USSID17USSID17 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2021 9:56AM

    Isn't a 70-D 40% silver? This one is probably clad. Why not 71-D, 72-D, 73-D, 74-D?...............

  • astroratastrorat Posts: 9,221 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2021 9:58AM

    I think you may be misremembering the mintmark placement for copper-nickel clad Kennedy halves.

    Edited to add ... the auction lot description is wrong. That's not a 40% Kennedy half.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll send a quick email to Heritage. This one appears "as needed" on my Kennedy registry under the date 1970-D.

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  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Heritage doesn’t describe it as 40% silver. Why not check the details of the ad before making a post here or sending an email?

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/errors/197x-d-50c-kennedy-half-dollar-deep-struck-thru-debris-ms61-pcgs/a/60210-92249.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,634 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Under "Collectors Corner" is is listed as a 1970-D
    https://www.collectors.com/setmatch/setmatchdetail?itemtypeid=1&compid=7035&compitemid=395670&setid=177665

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's clad - If it were 40% silver, I would have seen the surface difference
    immediately, and checked the edge.

    It's from the early 70's, but not a 70-D

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  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Silver clads were also accidentally struck in '71, '74, and '77. If it were one of those, then it would be quite the error

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    Silver clads were also accidentally struck in '71, '74, and '77. If it were one of those, then it would be quite the error

    It's clad. So maybe it's a 1970-D struck on a clad planchet instead.

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    Silver clads were also accidentally struck in '71, '74, and '77. If it were one of those, then it would be quite the error

    It's clad. So maybe it's a 1970-D struck on a clad planchet instead.

    Weren't the only clad half dollar planchets existing in 1970 the silver clad version?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @The_Dinosaur_Man said:
    Silver clads were also accidentally struck in '71, '74, and '77. If it were one of those, then it would be quite the error

    It's clad. So maybe it's a 1970-D struck on a clad planchet instead.

    Weren't the only clad half dollar planchets existing in 1970 the silver clad version?

    Well, it was a joke. But, after all, look at those TWO 1968 quarters struck over Canadian silver quarters.

    Has anyone weighed the Kennedy? Maybe it's on a Canadian half planchet. >:)

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Well, it was a joke.

    Oops. :s

    @jmlanzaf said:
    But, after all, look at those TWO 1968 quarters struck over Canadian silver quarters.

    Sure, but silver Canadian quarters actually did exist in 1968. ;)

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MasonG said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    Well, it was a joke.

    Oops. :s

    @jmlanzaf said:
    But, after all, look at those TWO 1968 quarters struck over Canadian silver quarters.

    Sure, but silver Canadian quarters actually did exist in 1968. ;)

    Yes, but the quarters were from the 1950s. Lol

    There must have been a few clad test planchets around in 1970.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Right, an edge picture, isn't that why PCGS redesigned their holder? (probably not, but it's worth a shot)

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    Right, an edge picture, isn't that why PCGS redesigned their holder? (probably not, but it's worth a shot)

    Fred alreadyconfirmed it's copper- nickel. We don't need an edge shot.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Steven59 said:
    Right, an edge picture, isn't that why PCGS redesigned their holder? (probably not, but it's worth a shot)

    Fred alreadyconfirmed it's copper- nickel. We don't need an edge shot.

    Sorry I ruffled your grumpy old feathers.......

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 17, 2021 5:09PM

    @Steven59 said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @Steven59 said:
    Right, an edge picture, isn't that why PCGS redesigned their holder? (probably not, but it's worth a shot)

    Fred alreadyconfirmed it's copper- nickel. We don't need an edge shot.

    Sorry I ruffled your grumpy old feathers.......

    I'm not at all ruffled, nor grumpy. Just saying that we have confirmation from the source.

    Sorry I frayed your hypersensitive nerves. >:)

  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,756 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thats a clad, not silver clad

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jdimmick said:
    Thats a clad, not silver clad

    I still think it's Canadian. >:)

  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 71-D

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,803 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @mannie gray said:
    Looks like a 71-D

    Why 1971?

  • MasonGMasonG Posts: 6,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @mannie gray said:
    Looks like a 71-D

    Why 1971?

    I was thinking 1971, too. That date seems to often come with a wide, flat rim.

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The employees who are purposefully manufacturing errors at the Mints have got to stop making questionably dated errors like this one. ;)

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with those saying it looks like a clad piece.

  • SnapsSnaps Posts: 195 ✭✭✭✭

    The coin is either a 1972 or 1973. There is a small piece of the last digit below the T in TRUST. Looks like it would be a 3 with the placement below the T.

  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fred does PCGS's error certification yeah? He's seen it in hand right? Can't be 40%.

    Even if it was 40%, it could still be a 71-D on a 40% planchet, theoretically.

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  • thefinnthefinn Posts: 2,657 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Die made from a different hub than 1970. Looks like a 1971-D from the wider rim.

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