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1986 Fleer Michael Jordan Potential Grade Opinions

Card_CollectorCard_Collector Posts: 8

I was hoping to hear thoughts on a potential grade for this card.

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  • handymanhandyman Posts: 5,342 ✭✭✭✭✭

    11.5

  • thehallmarkthehallmark Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭

    in 2019
    PSA 8: 45%
    PSA 7: 45%
    Other: 10%

    in 2021
    I have no idea

  • Geoff76Geoff76 Posts: 163 ✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2021 6:19PM

    Not an expert by any means but I say 8.

  • burghmanburghman Posts: 924 ✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking card. Any concerns about the left edge, towards the bottom? Seems flat against the rail from the top until part way through the bottom blue band...

    Jim

  • Card_CollectorCard_Collector Posts: 8
    edited June 10, 2021 7:16PM

    @burghman said:
    Nice looking card. Any concerns about the left edge, towards the bottom? Seems flat against the rail from the top until part way through the bottom blue band...

    I am not sure if it's the card, the case, or the angle the card is sitting.

  • bensiebensie Posts: 59 ✭✭

    What makes you guys say 8? I don't see a big enough defect to knock it down 2 grades.

  • @bensie said:
    What makes you guys say 8? I don't see a big enough defect to knock it down 2 grades.

    Personally, I thought it would be a 9 but I wanted to hear opinions.

  • RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What is it in now with those wonky rails?

  • thehallmarkthehallmark Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭

    @bensie said:
    What makes you guys say 8? I don't see a big enough defect to knock it down 2 grades.

    Left edge is rough at best, and there is chipping on the bottom edge. There are some surface dots of concern, though it's difficult to know if those are on the card or just floating dust. Personally I get distracted by the vertical scratch halfway between MJ's ribs and the left margin.

    My first instinct was 8, but this is always about a range of outcomes. If it was my card, I would've sent in with those expectations I listed earlier. Very strong chance at 7, 7.5, or 8. Very small chance it falls outside that range imo - on either end.

    But in the new world order, perhaps move common sense expectations down 1 to 2 grades? I dunno.

  • scmavlscmavl Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭

    FYI, I sent in an '86 Jordan that was a surefire 7+ and it came back a 5. Get ready for a surprise...

    2.5 is pretty much my speed.
  • Geoff76Geoff76 Posts: 163 ✭✭✭

    @thehallmark said:

    @bensie said:
    What makes you guys say 8? I don't see a big enough defect to knock it down 2 grades.

    Left edge is rough at best, and there is chipping on the bottom edge. There are some surface dots of concern, though it's difficult to know if those are on the card or just floating dust.

    I had similar thoughts but I also think my opinion is influenced by recent results for experienced submitters. If you had asked me two months ago based solely on published grading standards I’d say a 9 is possible. Maybe it still is...who knows.

  • steel75steel75 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭✭

    A PSA 9 nowadays is very unlikely unless it's super sharp. This does have flaws. PSA7?

    1970's Steelers, Vintage Indians
  • VagabondVagabond Posts: 584 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2021 2:32PM

    I believe an 8 is within reach but a 9, certainly not. Not with the rough cut but on the left and some the slightly touched corners. Cant forget the chipping at the bottom. This one is centered which makes it more desirable to any possible potential buyer.

  • @Vagabond said:
    I believe an 8 is within reach but a 9, certainly not. Not with the rough cut but on the left and some the slightly touched corners. Cant forget the chipping at the bottom. This one is centered which makes it more desirable to any possible potential buyer.

    The rough cut on the left is pretty standard/normal for the 1986 Fleer, but your other points are noted.

  • RufussCkingstonRufussCkingston Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2021 11:07PM

    @Card_Collector said:

    >
    The rough cut on the left is pretty standard/normal for the 1986 Fleer, but your other points are noted.

    My buddy sent in a Jordan last month that he figured would get a 7 because of the left side roughage.... But actually got an 8 (centering)

  • I'm thinking about sending it in to PSA, but I'm not sure how much the fee will be. Anyone know?

  • steel75steel75 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭✭

    I could be wrong, but PSA has only the $300 option right now.

    1970's Steelers, Vintage Indians
  • uncbuddhauncbuddha Posts: 47 ✭✭

    Here Is my 8 that was graded in September 2020 for reference. Some very faint flaking on the right edge. It was in a screw down for almost 30 years so I was very happy with this 8.

  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 467 ✭✭✭

    What's the blemish on the BLK column heading? If that's a dent or scratch showing any kind of paper beneath you are not going to be pleased with the result

  • @Jayman1982 said:
    What's the blemish on the BLK column heading? If that's a dent or scratch showing any kind of paper beneath you are not going to be pleased with the result

    I think it's a reflection. I really need to look at that. How many points would it deduct if it was a blemish?

  • Card_CollectorCard_Collector Posts: 8
    edited June 13, 2021 1:10AM

    Please delete.

  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 467 ✭✭✭

    @Card_Collector said:

    @Jayman1982 said:
    What's the blemish on the BLK column heading? If that's a dent or scratch showing any kind of paper beneath you are not going to be pleased with the result

    I think it's a reflection. I really need to look at that. How many points would it deduct if it was a blemish?

    If it's actually a dent into the card stock I would imagine you are looking at a 5 at best. You really need to spend some time looking at the card's surface at different angles under a powerful light source, even different light sources, ie sunlight, halogen, etc. Don't be blinded by sharp corners and nice centering, it's the really small surface blemishes that can knock you down the most, any dents, scratches, wrinkles are going to crush your hopes of an 8 or 9 real fast.

  • jfkheatjfkheat Posts: 2,735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This has gone on long enough. What did it grade?

  • Historicalwood71Historicalwood71 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭

    That's a straight up 8!

  • Card_CollectorCard_Collector Posts: 8
    edited June 15, 2021 12:34AM

    Any other thoughts?

    Sending it to PSA now is $300, right? Are they even doing cross grading? Should I wait? I'm scarred to break it, as I don't want to damage it.

    Any last opinions?

  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 467 ✭✭✭

    What grade is it currently and who was it graded by?

  • professorpuckprofessorpuck Posts: 148 ✭✭✭

    It's in a holder of a non-big 3 grading company. I wouldn't touch it.

  • Jayman1982Jayman1982 Posts: 467 ✭✭✭

    @professorpuck said:
    It's in a holder of a non-big 3 grading company. I wouldn't touch it.

    I'm super curious to see what company's holder that is, one of the guard rails looks like it was formed with a crude stone age tool

  • dontippetdontippet Posts: 2,606 ✭✭✭✭

    @Jayman1982 said:

    @professorpuck said:
    It's in a holder of a non-big 3 grading company. I wouldn't touch it.

    I'm super curious to see what company's holder that is, one of the guard rails looks like it was formed with a crude stone age tool

    Not something you'd want your Jordan rookie rubbing up against for decades.

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