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Why is this forum so Dead ?

Look at the first page and check out the dates, June 6th - one comment, June 7th - one comment, June 8th - one comment. An abysmal one or two comments a day at best. Where is everyone ?

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  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2021 6:12AM

    I agree. We should do better and can do better.

    I think that growth needs to come slowly and steadily and the active members here can help with content. I'm going to try a few posts aimed at basic information in my field, obsoletes. Perhaps a few basic threads in the other currency areas would help, too, focusing on what attracts new or crossover collectors. For small size, a thread on what can be found in circulation is better than one on changeover pairs, at least for attracting new blood. A thread on the artistic beauty of large size notes (amply illustrated) would be better than fonts used for serial numbers. These are just a couple of examples. You get the idea.

    Collectors Universe has built us this wonderful stadium. Let's play!

    Well, the good news it that this thread will stay near the top for quite a while, guilting me into doing something (creating new content) to move it down the list.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • Steve_in_TampaSteve_in_Tampa Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll also try and participate more, and start more threads. But the last thing anyone wants is post a thread a get maybe only one or two replies. This reason alone has held me back. I’m a virtual thread composing animal on that “other” forum.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 22,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The US coin forum seems to have the most traffic by far, it seems to always have been that way...

  • 10-15 years ago this forum had a lot more traffic.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I too will try to become more active in starting new threads from time to time.

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, there have always been many more coin collectors than banknote collectors and that probably explains the difference in traffic.

    And that raises another question, but since I don't want to derail this important thread, I'll start a new thread.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • Serial_no_8Serial_no_8 Posts: 414 ✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    Yes, there have always been many more coin collectors than banknote collectors and that probably explains the difference in traffic.

    And that raises another question, but since I don't want to derail this important thread, I'll start a new thread.

    • Absolutely! I remember going to shows and searching the bourse for about 1/2 hour before I found another banknote collector. Most of the friends I made 15 years ago were heavily into coins as well. Very few collected notes exclusively (like myself). I think you guys are too hard on yourselves. The CPMF is an absolute boneyard compared to this site. But if you 2 want to generate more threads- then go for it (I will be happy to chip in from time to time :D
    • I think there's one important factor you're not taking into consideration: that is technology is changing the collectors' landscape. When I started searching videos for my hobby site, I found a good 10-15 y.o. Numismatic presentation on how slow shows/coin conventions had become (which they attributed to eBay). They concluded that many collectors were buying from the comfort of their homes rather than attending auctions at shows live. (I wish I saved the link to that youtube video)
    • And so it goes that it may be possible that forums are just becoming less popular. With the onslaught of 'apps' & folks rushing to get mobile- so many collectors are using either SM (like FB or Reddit) & even getting into posting images (only) like on IG (never sitting down to the old desktop or laptop computer). It is possible that forums are simply too complicated/demanding/time-consuming for the newer generation of collector.
  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    True, technology has had a huge impact. More use of different social media sites, all competing for our attention.

    Facebook Marketplace is probably starting to impact Ebay and other online retailers in significant ways. Now we have sites not designed for ecommerce venturing into retail.

    But this forum, as any forum, has lurkers who can and should participate. Ask a question, post a note that you can't identify, or just relate a currency-related experience or thought. If it's currency, we'll like it.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • WingedLiberty1957WingedLiberty1957 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2021 2:49PM

    blame pcgs for overmoderating this forum for a decade. they banned some of the most respected and expert posters for minor infractions. I saw it happen. Roll this forum back 10 to 15 years and it was incredible here. some threads pushed towards 100 pages. for a while this forum was being moderated by an ex-cosmotologist (a make-up lady), who was so heavy handed, she was constantly closing threads. pcgs killed this forum from the inisde.

  • Steve_in_TampaSteve_in_Tampa Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2021 9:11AM

    Well put and explained @WingedLiberty1957. Agree completely.

  • @WingedLiberty1957 said:
    blame pcgs for overmoderating this forum for a decade. they banned some of the most respected and expert posters for minor infractions. I saw it happen. Roll this forum back 10 to 15 years and it was incredible here. some threads pushed towards 100 pages. for a while this forum was being moderated by an ex-cosmotologist (a make-up lady), who was so heavy handed, she was constantly closing threads. pcgs killed this forum from the

    Back in the days when Jesse posted on here?

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I, personally, don't have much of a currency collection (maybe 50 notes) as I don't really search to buy specific notes - just what catches my eye. I mostly read on this forum to gain information so I don't reply much, if at all.

  • NoGoldNoGold Posts: 41 ✭✭

    This forum and the Paper Money Forum seem to have the same contributors. A small number of people keep these forums alive and the subject matter may not appeal to everyone. I will occasionally find an interesting post but for the most part not very often.
    I tend to read and research on my own and really don't find the forums educational but more entertaining with the show and tell posts. Just my opinion.

  • luckyrollersluckyrollers Posts: 502 ✭✭✭✭

    Ill try to create more too.

  • SaorAlbaSaorAlba Posts: 7,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    https://papermoneyforum.com/post/note-displays-behind-secaposy-yellen-11771608

    With posts like the one that had to go political and off topic in an on topic thread.

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  • element159element159 Posts: 493 ✭✭✭

    @SaorAlba said:
    https://papermoneyforum.com/post/note-displays-behind-secaposy-yellen-11771608

    With posts like the one that had to go political and off topic in an on topic thread.

    Those posts really irritated me. Especially as it seemed vaguely conceivable that SecTreas could have responded to the thread, I think someone said they asked about the note display, and she is supposedly a collector of some kind. As it stands, I would be embarrassed to be part of the collector community if she (or an aide) came upon that thread.

    I have the Off Topic board there completely hidden for me (there is a way to do this) and so I usually do not even see political thread titles, but sometimes things leak out... IMO the board here has the correct policy of not allowing off-topic stuff, because way too much that turns into politics, and gets nasty or worse.

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  • delistampsdelistamps Posts: 714 ✭✭✭

    This is not a problem with PMF. I too have the off-topic thread blocked. The on-topic thread had one person who posted political shit and he was called out by a number of members. Anyone reading that thread will realize that there is a lot of cool information about the currency displays in Treasury offices. I learned from it.

  • synchrsynchr Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2021 11:03AM

    This forum is not dead - you have been Rick Rolled.
    The irony of how much discussion is occuring on a "dead topic" is simply grand !
    ROFL
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTgj1HxmUbg

  • synchrsynchr Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2021 11:14AM

    @WingedLiberty1957 said:
    blame pcgs for overmoderating this forum for a decade. they banned some of the most respected and expert posters for minor infractions. I saw it happen. Roll this forum back 10 to 15 years and it was incredible here. some threads pushed towards 100 pages. for a while this forum was being moderated by an ex-cosmotologist (a make-up lady), who was so heavy handed, she was constantly closing threads. pcgs killed this forum from the inisde.

    Politely disagree as I have been here since 2003.
    There were some contributors with very bad behaviour that caused problems here and now they have moved on to the PMF where, surprisingly, more personal attacks and bad behaviour have been permitted and proliferated.

    There was a PMF gang-bang against a member there and rather than extoll the virtues of printed paper, the focus was on the caliber of goods that HGR was selling as found to not be "High Grade". Stooping to draw up a trivial contradiction in the business name was sad to see.

    Even worse to see that it was a personal attack that was permitted discussion by the moderators.

    I get it, this hobby is full of detail oriented people that are searching for imperfections. To some this extends to their personal lives and that level of scrutiny can be toxic to having fun.

  • Steve_in_TampaSteve_in_Tampa Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I started this thread for opinions related to the stagnation of this forum. To stimulate conversation concerning growing the base and encouraging more participation.

    I’m having a hard time understanding why any collector would talk bad about another numismatic forum. This isn’t a competition. These are free and public forums all promoting and advocating for the hobby we all participate in. I’m a member on many numismatic forums and I see occasional dust-ups on all of them. The PMF has an Off Topic category with threads that aren’t exactly everyone’s cup of tea. My advice is to ignore it. Especially if you’re thin-skinned or radically opinionated. I don’t contribute here as much as I do there, but one thing I don’t do is publicly run down another forum. Haters gonna hate.

  • Serial_no_8Serial_no_8 Posts: 414 ✭✭✭

    @mbwizkid said:
    ... I’m having a hard time understanding why any collector would talk bad about another numismatic forum. This isn’t a competition. These are free and public forums all promoting and advocating for the hobby we all participate in. I’m a member on many numismatic forums and I see occasional dust-ups on all of them. The PMF has an Off Topic category with threads that aren’t exactly everyone’s cup of tea. My advice is to ignore it. Especially if you’re thin-skinned or radically opinionated. I don’t contribute here as much as I do there, but one thing I don’t do is publicly run down another forum. Haters gonna hate.

    • I agree & nicely put Steve.

    I recall disagreeing with another collector's grading of a banknote 20 years ago at a coin show I attended and that collector avoiding me like I was the devil (or worse). I was completely shocked to see how weird people could be over this hobby. Why are collectors so serious? And why do they have to be so passionate about being right all the time (both 'in person' or on forums)? It's not "us vs them!" Or at least it shouldn't be. And the greed is really disgusting sometimes: I called this one collector up on charging me a small fortune for a lousy $5 radar he offered to sell me: he eventually sold it to me for a minor profit- like I was his collector colleague (or fellow buddy) instead of some green noob who had just entered the hobby & he was some dealer making a buck with overhead to pay. Anyway, I digress & don't know about you guys, but I'm tired & fed up with all these petty little "in-fighting dramas." We've had idiot self-proclaimed "experts" up here in Canada & i've seen them duke it out on our CPMF. It wasn't pretty (let me tell you) and the moderator eventually stepped in (shut it down) so I've seen this spitting match before. (& when it comes to the off-topic stuff it makes one scratch their head even more). Mostly such rifts just destroy other peoples interest in an otherwise amazing hobby.

    • I wasn't all that surprised when the CPMF shut down for a month. A new admin took over but it has become the site of digital crickets, yawns & complete lack of participation. I often wondered why. Was it b/c of the petty spats 2 experts got into or was it just mobile tech's bigger pull than what forums have to offer? The desolation of this CPMF site (for any new input/new content or new members) has been unbearable to witness. I sure hope that doesn't happen here as It's not pretty folks.
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