Greatest O mint Morgan Dollar?
Dwight_M
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What is the greatest O mint Morgan dollar to own ? And for that matter , which is the greatest for each mint mark , P D O S CC? I see registry sets for mint marks and highest graded , but those are all common dates.
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2021-O
PCGS MS70!
I’ll take the obvious answer and go with the 1886-O in 67DMPL.
No such animal.
I'd love a 1878-O Morgan. I don't think any O-mint dollars are scarce now in any grade. The 1903-O was the king of circulation strike Morgans until 1962.
1895-O Morgan in Mint State
Will be soon
And you think there's no 2021?
I can’t fathom such an all encompassing conclusion. Never mind that it’s highly inaccurate. Check these dates in grades 65 and higher: 86-O, 93-O, 94-O, 95-O, 96-O, 97-O - they’re beyond “scarce”.
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Due to mintage and value, I would say 1895 O followed by the 1893 O in most grade states.
Jim
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From your post count, I see you haven't been around very long. We all hope you'll catch on quickly.
1886-O's are relative common compared to 1893-O's. I'd go with the Amon Carter coin in MS66DMPL. Wasn't there an 1895-O in 66 in a Sotheby's sale late last year? Last three years I've fallen behind.
Eliasberg 91-CC $1 MS68PL
Vermeule 1893-S MS67 or Tkacz-Walanka-David Hall---Jack lee 1896-S in MS69.
1894-P in MS66 (from a Stacks sale bought raw by Danny R?) I'd check the grade out.
D-mint? That's a good Jeopardy question.
I think I was working for David when he acquired the 96-S and that it was accompanied by an amazing 84-S. Does the latter ring a bell?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yup. I knew Tom Tkacz before he bought the pair from Art Leister (I should have included him in the provenance). Tom's store was only a few miles away from me. The 1884-S is now in a 67 holder and was in either Stacks' Larry Miller or the Sotheby's group. Actually, I think both were in "Jack Lee 1" and "Jack Lee 2"
Rick, I know you can be tough on occasion, but that 84-S is a 68.😉
Dwight, what would your answer be for the greatest O-mint?
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Since my exaltedness is surpassed only by my modesty, I cannot deny I made a mistake this time
Yet still not as great as the 93-S in 67 he mutters peevishly.
Here are a couple of candidates!
1884-O Morgan Dollar - Mint Error - 15% Off Center
Sold for $19,200.00 on Dec 10, 2017.
1883-O Morgan Dollar - Mint Error - 15% Off Center
Sold for $17,825 on Jan 16, 2014.
Knew I recalled reading about those on someone's Greysheet many years ago. Just can't believe that was way back in 1983.
Not the kind of coins I got to see or handle, but was always fascinated reading about the high powered stuff.
Found a link to the article
"1884-S and 1896-S Morgans sell for $100,000!"
"...1884-S grades a conservative MS-67+ ... 1896-S enjoys general agreement at MS-70..."
Sounded like insane grades and prices at the time. Fairly accurate assessments back in those raw days. The two brought a total over $1.4 Million at the Larry H. Miller Collection auction last November.
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Thanks for the link. So it turns out that I first saw the pair a number of years later, after they’d been graded.
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The press release was a "press release". Seen raw, the 84-S was a soft 67 and the 96-S a 67++ (68, not that anyone but Jim Halperin would have dared to use such a grade). That was 40 years ago raw, so factor in some IIRC. I recall sitting at Jack Lee's table (this century), mostly discussing the 2/1 Contract Bridge bidding system, when he mentioned in passing (i guess a few coins were discussed) that he called the 96-S a 68. Forget Michael and LeBron, Both coins are clearly GOATs.
The stickers mean CAC will give you a quote for that grade. Doesn't necessarily mean CAC grades it what the holder reads, (though this situation is but one of a handful), just that CAC will buy it by the grade on the holder.
Mfeld. I would say the 1886-0 67dmpl the single greatest 0 mint Morgan. Interestingly Wayne Miller called it the single best Morgan dollar of all the world in his second book.
Here's a nice quote from CoinFacts:
https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1886-o-1/7168
PCGS does have a MS67 DMPL in the pop report and it's listed as the "John Love - Wayne Miller - Jack Lee" specimen on Coin Facts, but there's no photo on CoinFacts.
Dwight, I think that’s as good as, if not a better candidate than any.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Here's the info from the Stack's Sale:
1886-O Morgan Dollar - PCGS MS67DMPL POP 1/0 CAC - Ex. John Love, Wayne Miller, Jack Lee, Larry H. Miller
This coin has a great provenance.
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-OPNY4/1886-o-morgan-silver-dollar-ms-67-dmpl-pcgs-cac
Great topic!
Agree 100%!
Looking forward to more posts!
Here's the 96-S:
1896-S Morgan Dollar - "Far and Away the Finest Known" SB - PCGS MS69 POP 1/0 CAC - Ex. Chuck Walanka, David Hall, George Bodway, Jack Lee, Larry H. Miller
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-OPO0A/1896-s-morgan-silver-dollar-ms-69-pcgs-cac
What are the Jack Lee I, II and III Collections? Why are they referenced like that?
With the 2021 PCGS MS70 Morgans coming, any chance for the 96-S or other classic coins to be upgraded?
I remember reading that book in the late 70's. Revelatory!
I remember the coin itself from when Wayne's coins were sold. Ungodly! Looking back in time, it occurs to me that you may have attended the sale too.
I'd still hold out for the 95-O in MS67.
Jack built his collection (Jack Lee I) , then sold it. Later he bought it back (jack Lee 2). A few were upgraded. That wasn't easy.
Jack Lee 3? Where have you seen a reference to that.?
Good to know
The 2005 Heritage Sale refers to The Jack Lee Collection III.
It's mentioned in both the Provenance and the Collection name for the sale, the latter being the link at the bottom of the lot descriptions: View all of [The Jack Lee Collection, III ].
Here's the 96-S lot description from the sale showing this:
https://coins.ha.com/itm/morgan-dollars/silver-and-related-dollars/1896-s-1-ms69-pcgs-of-the-many-remarkable-morgan-dollars-in-the-current-offering-of-coins-from-the-jack-lee-collection-/a/388-2328.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515
Come on. One should have absolutely nothing to do with the other.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Perhaps with technical grading, but with market grading the classics are worth more
I'd be curious to see if the Jack Lee III registry set has many (many, many) of the same coins as the previous ones.
Evidently the cataloguer(s) of neither coin auction company for either coin were aware of the CoinWorld article from some month in late 79- early 80 or WTF. Art Leister and Tom Tkacz (also a pro golfer) are pre-Internet and thus lost to history.
I'm better with more classic provenance items. Ancient history from the last century. Even in this century, does Coronet count for more than enough to "cancel" Vermeule? Hyphenation perhaps? Etc, etc, curmudgeon alert, etc
Rhetorically, how many times has @tradedollarnut's Seated Dollar collection traded?