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Authenticity 2,5 Dollars Coronet Head

Hello collectors, I started collecting USA coins two years ago, so I am unfortunately not an expert. And it is hard to find experts here in Germany.
I would appreciate, if you can help me with these three quarter dollars I recently purchased. The gold content should be fine, the weight is also ok, 4,18-4,19 grams. But the color and the edge look strange to me.
Thanks for your answers in advance.
Andi






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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And include value in the USA even if it is more expensive than Europe, VAT or no VAT

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,878 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based upon the images provided, I agree with PerryHall.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    are these counterfeits of an older era than today, or are these modern counterfeits?

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe they are counterfeit.

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  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All are counterfeit

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am in the counterfeit camp as well

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Fake, old or new does not matter. Have someone check for gold content and if they are made with gold sell for scrap. Otherwise trash. Most coin shops have analyzers that can check the metal contents.

    bob :)

    Registry: CC lowballs (boblindstrom), bobinvegas1989@yahoo.com
  • Sad, but I was expecting this. Thanks for your help.

  • Would you let me know the characteristics? Thanks

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 26, 2021 3:08PM

    I did not reply because I am not an expert.

    PCGS has a sub-website called CoinFacts. They also have a CoinFacts phone App

    for the 1905 $2.50 here is the coinfacts page:
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1905-2-50/7857

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    CoinFacts

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yours

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,884 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 26, 2021 3:13PM

    I have not seen the reeding on the edges, but perhaps your instincts were triggered by that.

    perhaps a picture comparison (above) will help while we wait for more info if someone has time to provide diagnostics

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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a few of these from 1880-1896 but am no expert. I'm seeing nice stars and some wire rims but also a conterdiction of very soft hair curls underneath 'liberty' and on the hair buns.

    Hope they have gold content if you own them.

    Have a nice day
  • Yes, the gold content, as well as the weight are ok. These were sold by one of the biggest coin dealers here.
    I hope I can return them.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,848 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The details are fuzzy which is characteristic of fakes struck by cast dies. A real coin is used to cast the dies and there's a loss of detail in the transfer of the design. A genuine coin would have sharp crisp details.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your observations and instincts were correct. Yes, the edges are wrong on each. Hard to tell about the color as each monitor is different but that's a good way to spot fakes, too.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 27, 2021 4:58AM

    I have no idea how to detect fake gold. That’s why I will not buy a gold coin unless it is certified, or I purchased it from the US Mint.

    With the exception of fractional gold bullion, which I will buy raw from a known dealer like JM Bullion, APMEX, etc.

    Buying certified gives you peace of mind for authenticity, makes it easier to sell when the time comes, and protects the soft metal from damage.


  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    you have opinions from some of the best in the business.

    also, if you compare the heads in the photos above you can see differences. the earring is different. the hair above the forehead is different. the lips are different. there are several small differences.

    i hope you can return them.

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