1909S-VDB, Ebay, Great Southern Coins, With Philly Mint VDB?

MarkW63

Tell me it ain't so!
I've also seen a couple of these now that look like they've been varnished, or Shellacked?
Starting bid $600.00

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353507513705?hash=item524eb09569:g:gB8AAOSwxaZgqCRY

Thanks to the forum member that posted the below image!

MarkW63

In the post above I mentioned seeing these that looked to have been varnished (coated) here is one like I'm talking about. I can't say its a fake or counterfeit, buts its odd.
Wonder what effect this has on the value of the coin?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/353507513705?hash=item524eb09569:g:gB8AAOSwxaZgqCRY

braddick

Apparently, and added "S"?
The shellacking of coins- copper- was a form of preservation 'back-in-the-day. I suppose it is easily removed and doesn't have any long-lasting effects.

LanceNewmanOCC

i'd say probably added mm vs counterfeit? that vdb is obviously not correct. i haven't checked the position on that coin vs my mm alignment comp. but with that vdb, there really isn't much need either. good catch

ChrisH821

Both are problem coins, well the first one is counterfeit... GSC has made a business of selling problem coins without disclosure, there's a reason their raw coin images can't be zoomed in but the slabbed ones can.
They do have some gems mixed in on occasion but you really have to wade through some crap to find them.

johnny9434

nothing i want to mess with, pass

Aotearoa

GSC = run and don't look back.

Crypto

@Aotearoa said:
GSC = run and don't look back.

Not true butttttt you better know your stuff. More like buyer beware

MarkW63

@ChrisH821 said:
Both are problem coins, well the first one is counterfeit... GSC has made a business of selling problem coins without disclosure, there's a reason their raw coin images can't be zoomed in but the slabbed ones can.
They do have some gems mixed in on occasion but you really have to wade through some crap to find them.

Does anybody report them when they post a fake/counterfeit like this?
Others seem to agree that's it not a genuine 09S-VDB.
It would seem to me that ebay should pull the listing.
Its for sure the seller has sold enough coins to know this one isn't a real 09S-VDB.

MsMorrisine

$1025 and 6 days left

Perhaps a direct message to gsc would have them terminate the listing

Aotearoa

@Crypto said:

@Aotearoa said:
GSC = run and don't look back.

Not true butttttt you better know your stuff. More like buyer beware

With their juiced photos, I’m not so sure that knowing your stuff is sufficient.

MsMorrisine

They have been picked by forumites

thefinn

@ChrisH821 said:
Both are problem coins, well the first one is counterfeit... GSC has made a business of selling problem coins without disclosure, there's a reason their raw coin images can't be zoomed in but the slabbed ones can.
They do have some gems mixed in on occasion but you really have to wade through some crap to find them.

I bought a raw 1936 Wisconsin that graded MS64 once, but the reward isn't worth the work or potential failure, just as you mentioned.

braddick

I believe a couple of Buffalo nickels came back as Gem PROOF examples. Now, that's a cherry-pick!

Omegaraptor

That mintmark on the GSC coin doesn’t look right.

koynekwest

Perhaps a seller to avoid.

MarkW63

@Omegaraptor said:
That mintmark on the GSC coin doesn’t look right.

Well, the V.D.B is the philly mint, so that shoots the coin down right there.
Here is something else to look at on the coin. Notice the difference in the bends of the lower legs of the E's in United States Of America. (also look at the cross bar in the A's in America, the real one has a slight upwards slant to it, the fake/counterfeit one is level)
Here is the GSC example!

Now here is another 09S-VDB

WCC

@MsMorrisine said:
$1025 and 6 days left

Even if not altered, the coin is so common I have never understood why anyone would compete for an example like this one The surfaces are unattractive and it's easy enough to find a better one any day of the week in this price range.

BuffaloIronTail

@braddick said:
I believe a couple of Buffalo nickels came back as Gem PROOF examples. Now, that's a cherry-pick!

For a seller of such such niceties, that's a 'cherry kick-in-the- butt".

Pete

Crypto

@Aotearoa said:

@Crypto said:

@Aotearoa said:
GSC = run and don't look back.

Not true butttttt you better know your stuff. More like buyer beware

With their juiced photos, I’m not so sure that knowing your stuff is sufficient.

I have seen some serious gems come out of them but one must wade though a bunch of muck. Lots of detail coins cracked and listed with some shilling possible. That said they take returns and do thousands of sales, some of it is on buyers.

MsMorrisine

Poofed

MarkW63

@MsMorrisine said:
Poofed

Yep! and that's a good thing, they should never listed that one.

MsMorrisine

that whole coin was counterfeit

koynekwest

@BuffaloIronTail said:

@braddick said:
I believe a couple of Buffalo nickels came back as Gem PROOF examples. Now, that's a cherry-pick!

For a seller of such such niceties, that's a 'cherry kick-in-the- butt".

Pete

You are correct. I love it when these less than honest people get cherrypicked. One of our board members nailed 'em.