J-A1804-2

daltex

I understand how these thing come to exist, https://coins.ha.com/itm/patterns/1804-dt10c-dime-die-trial-j-a1804-2-pollock-6070-r8-struck-over-1838-cent-au58-pcgs-cac/a/1329-4318.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Auction-Archive-ThisAuction-120115

but how does it happen that they circulate?

fathom

Pocket piece.

MedalCollector

Based on those images, the surfaces struck by the dime die are still mint state, or nearly so. And if there is any evidence of high point friction, it was likely due to mishandling/storage.

It definitely did not see circulation, in my opinion.

CaptHenway

I assume this is a Mickley restrike?

MsMorrisine

cabinet friction?

Coinosaurus

Note that part of the (re)strike were weak to begin with, which should not be confused with circulation wear.

trueblood

Would I pay such a price to have a privately produced piece assumed to be made by/for J. Mickely in the 1860's, nope. I want mint made and this ain't that

LanceNewmanOCC

@daltex said:
but how does it happen that they circulate?

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there are a host of patterns and proofs that would easily have been beyond even an educated person for the time of striking for many imparied proofs/patterns. it isn't too far of a stretch to figure with virtually no information or value assigned, let alone random events, for pieces like this to have simply been thrown into and/or actually circulated? for some time. (look at what some of the coinstar/register finds are in threads here)

wasn't one of the 1913 V nicks purposely carried around in the owner's pocket leaving it to have claims to only a lowly au grade? how about the 94-s 10c ice cream coin. - many a gobrects have suffered a brutal fate down into the F15 territory.

the auction catalog descript on that page says a lot for such a small amount written.

on a personal note: this item isn't too extensively circulated as a au58+, that is basically someone waking up on the wrong side of the bed ms63-65. fwiw

if you are looking for a precise backstory on how this thing went from a private post-strike, i cannot help there but to advise digging through auction archives, nnp, cu archive searches. unless someone here actually knows

edwardjulio

NLH

Zoins

@trueblood said:
Would I pay such a price to have a privately produced piece assumed to be made by/for J. Mickely in the 1860's, nope. I want mint made and this ain't that

It's made using Mint dies!

I'm fascinated by the Joseph Jacob Mickley pieces. They seem more rare than the Mint-made special order pieces.

MrEureka

@trueblood said:
Would I pay such a price to have a privately produced piece assumed to be made by/for J. Mickely in the 1860's, nope. I want mint made and this ain't that

I’d certainly pay some price. The question is, how much?