Is this a possible Ron Landis "mule"?

ZoidMeister

I recently picked up a small lot of early Ron Landis Renaissance Fair brass tokens and think that I may have discovered a "mule" amongst the strikes.

Having been born in late March, I was picking up a few of Ron's Aries brass designs. I got to one strike, and had to do a double take. On the reverse was the typical Aries zodiac symbol and inscription, but on the obverse instead of the usual Aries symbolic animal, (a male sheep - The Ram), I found the symbolic animal of the Capricorn zodiac (The SeaGoat).

What say you? Mule or not?

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messydesk

I say mule, even if it is a goat-fish.

Edit: I suppose the goat-fish would itself be a sort of a mule.

ZoidMeister

@messydesk said:
I say mule, even if it is a goat-fish.

Edit: I suppose the goat-fish would itself be a sort of a mule.

The original "surf n turf"?

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CaptHenway

Not familiar with these, but could they be from different years with one common side?

coinsarefun

I’ve never seen these. They must be his newer stuff.I’m digging that rams head with horns.
One of the best depiction I’ve seen in a long time!

ZoidMeister

@coinsarefun said:
I’ve never seen these. They must be his newer stuff.I’m digging that rams head with horns.
One of the best depiction I’ve seen in a long time!

@coinsarefun said:
I’ve never seen these. They must be his newer stuff.I’m digging that rams head with horns.
One of the best depiction I’ve seen in a long time!

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I have no idea when these were made. I've always assumed that they predate Ron's Gallery Mint Museum days. Not all bear his initials RL but the design styles are similar enough to attribute them. Many have enough pocket wear to also suggest pre-GMM production, but I'm just guessing there.

I believe that I read that Ron and Joe were active on the local Renaissance Faire circuits before GMM. It had been my assumption that these were made back then, pre 1988. There are enough of these around that make me question if perhaps early dies survive and some might be "restrikes" except for the wear.

All very cloaked in mystery. Here are a few of those that I have. Very few are dated. Many bear his initials somewhere on them, but not all.

I have a bunch more that I need to photograph and post. I'll try to concentrate on those that have dates and / or his initials.

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ZoidMeister

@coinsarefun said:
I’ve never seen these. They must be his newer stuff.I’m digging that rams head with horns.
One of the best depiction I’ve seen in a long time!

I actually have a thick and thin planchet variety of the rams head. Both are the same diameter, but the thick one has a very ornate edge with reeding populated with stars, crescent moons, and ringed planets. The thick variety weighs 17.0g while the thin is only 8.5g.

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ZoidMeister

Thinking out loud here. I remember back in the early 2000's taking my kids to a Renaissance Festival here in the Atlanta area. I wasn't engaged in numismatic or exonumia collecting at the time, the concerns of young children took precedence.

I distinctly remember there WAS a vendor at that fair producing souvenirs on a drop hammer coin press. I distinctly remember wanting to go over and check it out, but smoked turkey legs took precedence as the kids were getting hungry and the Mrs. was totally focused on keeping me at bay due to the plethora of scantily clad wenches walking about exhibiting their "wares" . . . . .

I wonder if that vendor was Ron Landis? It would have been around 2003 or 2004 (+/-) . . . . .

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messydesk

@ZoidMeister said:
... All very cloaked in mystery. Here are a few of those that I have. Very few are dated. Many bear his initials somewhere on them, but not all.

Mystery easy to solve. Ask Ron himself.

ZoidMeister

@messydesk said:

@ZoidMeister said:
... All very cloaked in mystery. Here are a few of those that I have. Very few are dated. Many bear his initials somewhere on them, but not all.

Mystery easy to solve. Ask Ron himself.

I don't think I have that kind of contact information for him or access. I am not on InstaFaceCraigsBookListGram for professional / employment reasons, so that really isn't an option for me.

I don't do "social media." Only "anti-social" media . . . . . .

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messydesk

@ZoidMeister said:

@messydesk said:

@ZoidMeister said:
... All very cloaked in mystery. Here are a few of those that I have. Very few are dated. Many bear his initials somewhere on them, but not all.

Mystery easy to solve. Ask Ron himself.

I don't think I have that kind of contact information for him or access. I am not on InstaFaceCraigsBookListGram for professional / employment reasons, so that really isn't an option for me.

I don't do "social media." Only "anti-social" media . . . . . .

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His e-mail address is on the receipt from your nickels. Phone number is, too, but the area code is wrong. Should be 479.

ZoidMeister

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I dare not reveal my sources, but I did get independent confirmation that the pre-GMM Ron Landis Renaissance Festival strike posted above is officially an "accidental mule!"

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GoldenEgg

@ZoidMeister said:

@messydesk said:

@ZoidMeister said:
... All very cloaked in mystery. Here are a few of those that I have. Very few are dated. Many bear his initials somewhere on them, but not all.

Mystery easy to solve. Ask Ron himself.

I don't think I have that kind of contact information for him or access. I am not on InstaFaceCraigsBookListGram for professional / employment reasons, so that really isn't an option for me.

I don't do "social media." Only "anti-social" media . . . . . .

Z

This forum is social media.

Cool piece btw!

Jimnight

Very different.

ZoidMeister

Believe it or not, I found a second . . . .

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coinsarefun

Awesome @ZoidMeister