Hey Exonumia guys, please give an opinion on this.

keets

So there's an auction running at eBay for the medal pictured below. I've also included some specifics from the book So-Called Dollars by Hibler/Kappen and the auction link:

HK-852 Silver. 38mm. Only 50 struck, according to John W. Haseltine.
HK-852a Silver. Bashlow restrike. Small S on reverse.
HK-852b Gold. 40.5mm to 41mm. 56.8 grams.
HK-853 Copper. Slightly less than 4mm. thick.
HK-853a Bronze. Bashlow restrike.
HK-854 White Metal. Thickness, 3mm.
HK-854a White Metal. Bowers restrike.
HK-855 Pewter. Approximately 4mm. thick. Sometimes listed as tin.
HK-856 Lead. Slightly more than 2mm. thick.
HK-856a Goldine. Bashlow restrike.

https://ebay.com/itm/1876-Restrike-Continental-Dollar-HK-856A-NGC-MS63-8-002/303939314945?hash=item46c431e501:g:UAQAAOSwdolgYhml

As you can see, the NGC insert indicates this was struck in 1876. However, no Goldine medals were struck either in 1876 by Prof. Montroville Dickeson or in 1917 by Thomas Elder. That planchet type wasn't used until 1962 by Bashlow/QDB. So the question is simple --- Is this some newly discovered rarity struck in 1876, or is it simply a "mechanical error" with the insert(the NGC cert check page also states 1876)? To my way of thinking, if it was struck in 1876 the only way to determine that would be from a diagnostic check moving backwards from 1962.

Al H.

Zoins

The slab insert and auction description do say it's a "restrike" though I guess some people may call Dickeson's 1876 strike a "restrike".

keets

these are hard to sort out and not getting the terminology correct only makes it harder. sometimes the only thing that helps is planchet thickness, weight and certain diagnostics from die progression. PCGS and NGC should include these on their inserts.

JMHO.

Zoins

It seems to be listed as HK-856A correctly so people should know it's a Bashlow / Frank restrike.

I'm on the fence about the date on the slab. Given how many people have done restrikes of these, listing these is a bit messy. At least it's telling people it's not a 1776 original.

That being said, if it was sent back in, it should be updated to say (1962) like these:

CaptHenway

Should say (1962)

coinsarefun

That’s Rick Snows Ebay listing......ask him he should be able to tell you it’s a mechanical error

keets

Should say (1962)

either on the insert or in the listing, anything else is a bit misleading at best and deceptive at worst. if you go to the NGC cert check page it STILL says (1876). nowhere, anywhere, does it say (1962). even the price says (1876).

https://ngccoin.com/certlookup/1500438-002/63/

NumisOxide

Definitely 1960s Bashlow piece. The following site is excellent to help distinguish the different pieces.
http://www.dmrarecoins.com/Dickeson-Continental-Currency-Dollars.php