@stevek said:
I read one time that someone estimated during Ali's long career, including training, sparring, and matches, that it's estimated he received 175,000 blows to the head. Whatever is the correct number, it certainly was a lot, and of course led to the Parkinson's syndrome affliction which he had, or whatever it was called with the shaking, inability to talk, etc. That was very sad.
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That number seems ridiculous to me.
Training and sparring is usually done with protective headgear and no sparring partner is going to hit his employer very hard if he wants to keep his job.
I saw Ali get brutally assaulted to the midsection time and time again, but he sure didn't get hit in the head very often. Other than the first Frazier fight, and when Norton broke his jaw, his face was usually unmarked and he would constantly point out how "pretty" he was.
I think his Parkinson's was probably going to happen if he was a boxer or not, otherwise why wouldn't more boxers have it?
Boxing may have made things worse, but I just don't think Ali got hit in the head nearly as often as this "someone's" guess.
I can't recall where i read that. But if it wasn't a credible article in my view, i wouldn't have bothered to remember the number.
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<<< Muhammad Ali (/ɑːˈliː/;[3] born Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr.;[4] January 17, 1942 – June 3, 2016) >>>
<<< Ali was born and raised in Louisville, Kentucky. He began training as an amateur boxer at age 12. >>>
<<< Ali fought one last time on December 11, 1981 >>>
<<< By the end of his boxing career Ali had absorbed an estimated 200,000 hits. >>>
So Ali's boxing career lasted 27 years. Doing the math, 27 years x 365 days is 9855 days. 175,000 divided by 9855 = 17 blows to the head per day. Yes, he didn't spar every day but say an average of working 5 days a week, and receiving 85 blows to the head a week during that time, seems plausible.
One writer said 175,000 to the head, Wiki said 200,000 hits...and i stated, "Whatever is the correct number, it certainly was a lot."
I'm not sure the protective headgear does all that much long term, when talking about this many blows. Don't forget that football players wear helmets, and CTE has become a noted problem in the NFL.
But your insinuation is right as folks do get Parkinson's without ever having been hit in the head at all. I'm not sure if Ali technically had Parkinson's disease in its actual form or something called Parkinson's syndrome which is a brain disorder that mimics the symptoms of Parkinson's. I would say based on what i've read and conjecture, that Ali had Parkinson's syndrome and the cause of it was a lot of blows to the head over 27 years, as many others out there have stated.
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I've read where in the upcoming Tyson-Holyfield fight, Tyson plans on bringing in the ring some mustard and BBQ sauce. I don't know if that's true or not?
I don't know about Ali vs. Tyson, but I'll take my memory over any of you old timers memory.
Seriously- nobody remembers this exact topic being covered maybe a year or so ago?
edit because maybe that sounded harsh?
I don't care if there's another thread covering Ali vs. Tyson just wondering if you guys remember
the previous thread?
But on second thought I don't care if it sounded harsh what are you guys going to do, actually remember
this post or something.
Ali. Height, Reach advantage. Also leading up to the fight and at the weigh in he'd of messed with/got inside Tyson's head. He'd of used the media like he always did leading up to the fight.
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But your insinuation is right as folks do get Parkinson's without ever having been hit in the head at all. I'm not sure if Ali technically had Parkinson's disease in its actual form or something called Parkinson's syndrome which is a brain disorder that mimics the symptoms of Parkinson's. I would say based on what i've read and conjecture, that Ali had Parkinson's syndrome and the cause of it was a lot of blows to the head over 27 years, as many others out there have stated.
Muhammad Ali hit Joe Frazier 175,000 times in the face in their 3 bouts and Joe never got Parkinson's.
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But your insinuation is right as folks do get Parkinson's without ever having been hit in the head at all. I'm not sure if Ali technically had Parkinson's disease in its actual form or something called Parkinson's syndrome which is a brain disorder that mimics the symptoms of Parkinson's. I would say based on what i've read and conjecture, that Ali had Parkinson's syndrome and the cause of it was a lot of blows to the head over 27 years, as many others out there have stated.
Muhammad Ali hit Joe Frazier 175,000 times in the face in their 3 bouts and Joe never got Parkinson's.
Call it whatever ya want, punch drunk or whatever. Many fighters who have had long careers, when they get into their 50's and 60's, sadly too often show a decline in the quality of their speech and/or mental faculties. That happened as well to Joe Frazier.
But your insinuation is right as folks do get Parkinson's without ever having been hit in the head at all. I'm not sure if Ali technically had Parkinson's disease in its actual form or something called Parkinson's syndrome which is a brain disorder that mimics the symptoms of Parkinson's. I would say based on what i've read and conjecture, that Ali had Parkinson's syndrome and the cause of it was a lot of blows to the head over 27 years, as many others out there have stated.
Muhammad Ali hit Joe Frazier 175,000 times in the face in their 3 bouts and Joe never got Parkinson's.
Call it whatever ya want, punch drunk or whatever. Many fighters who have had long careers, when they get into their 50's and 60's, sadly too often show a decline in the quality of their speech and/or mental faculties. That happened as well to Joe Frazier.
The only fighters who don't suffer these maladies are the ones who were lucky (?) enough to get knocked out within the first 3 rounds. Thereby not having to sustain repeated punishment.
Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
I definitely believe that Ali's Parkinson's was due to his fighting career. I also noticed Joe Frazier had speech problems. I think the blows to the head definitely had an effect on them. If football players develop CTE and stuff, then just imagine what boxing does to the brain of some of these guys.
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I can't recall where i read that. But if it wasn't a credible article in my view, i wouldn't have bothered to remember the number.
Pasted from Wiki:
<<< Muhammad Ali (/ɑːˈliː/;[3] born Cassius Marcellus Clay Jr.;[4] January 17, 1942 – June 3, 2016) >>>
<<< Ali was born and raised in Louisville, Kentucky. He began training as an amateur boxer at age 12. >>>
<<< Ali fought one last time on December 11, 1981 >>>
<<< By the end of his boxing career Ali had absorbed an estimated 200,000 hits. >>>
So Ali's boxing career lasted 27 years. Doing the math, 27 years x 365 days is 9855 days. 175,000 divided by 9855 = 17 blows to the head per day. Yes, he didn't spar every day but say an average of working 5 days a week, and receiving 85 blows to the head a week during that time, seems plausible.
One writer said 175,000 to the head, Wiki said 200,000 hits...and i stated, "Whatever is the correct number, it certainly was a lot."
I'm not sure the protective headgear does all that much long term, when talking about this many blows. Don't forget that football players wear helmets, and CTE has become a noted problem in the NFL.
But your insinuation is right as folks do get Parkinson's without ever having been hit in the head at all. I'm not sure if Ali technically had Parkinson's disease in its actual form or something called Parkinson's syndrome which is a brain disorder that mimics the symptoms of Parkinson's. I would say based on what i've read and conjecture, that Ali had Parkinson's syndrome and the cause of it was a lot of blows to the head over 27 years, as many others out there have stated.
<<< Tyson couldn't beat Holyfield, that's why he tried to eat him. >>>
I've read where in the upcoming Tyson-Holyfield fight, Tyson plans on bringing in the ring some mustard and BBQ sauce. I don't know if that's true or not?
I don't know about Ali vs. Tyson, but I'll take my memory over any of you old timers memory.
Seriously- nobody remembers this exact topic being covered maybe a year or so ago?
edit because maybe that sounded harsh?
I don't care if there's another thread covering Ali vs. Tyson just wondering if you guys remember
the previous thread?
But on second thought I don't care if it sounded harsh what are you guys going to do, actually remember
this post or something.
Ali. Height, Reach advantage. Also leading up to the fight and at the weigh in he'd of messed with/got inside Tyson's head. He'd of used the media like he always did leading up to the fight.
Muhammad Ali hit Joe Frazier 175,000 times in the face in their 3 bouts and Joe never got Parkinson's.
Call it whatever ya want, punch drunk or whatever. Many fighters who have had long careers, when they get into their 50's and 60's, sadly too often show a decline in the quality of their speech and/or mental faculties. That happened as well to Joe Frazier.
The only fighters who don't suffer these maladies are the ones who were lucky (?)
enough to get knocked out within the first 3 rounds. Thereby not having to sustain repeated punishment.
I definitely believe that Ali's Parkinson's was due to his fighting career. I also noticed Joe Frazier had speech problems. I think the blows to the head definitely had an effect on them. If football players develop CTE and stuff, then just imagine what boxing does to the brain of some of these guys.