1858 J-211 Re punch Date or something else?
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I like to collect your thoughts on the "8" on this pattern Indian cent. Not sure it would be a repunch date being a pattern. I did scan most of the Heritage auction archives looking at their photos of other 1858 Pattern (J-208, 211, 212, 213) but I did not come across any other obverses that show the same characteristics. I would appreciate anyone in the community as to their thoughts? 
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I think it might be dark toning like around the N of UNITED. What is causing the odd lighter colors around the date, has it been lacquered?
hmm. just a guess. since that inside loop part is high on the die, perhaps a small strike-through.
nice images but probably need more magnification to be 100%. if you can upload an unedited original image of the obv and/or date, i can blow it up pretty big but need and high-res image to start with to prohibit pixelation.
J-211 was struck with 2 different obverse dies
https://uspatterns.stores.yahoo.net/j211p255.html
Yours is the Centered date P262.
If it is a RPD, it should be on all the P262 coins.
You can check more than just Heritage if you want a more complete search:
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1858-j-211-pr-1c/11893
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1858-j-211-ms-1c/11892
Also, you can do a direct search at Stacks Bowers which will yield a few more (older) results than the above links.
The coin appears to be lacquered. The artifact looks to be something stuck in the lacquer.
Thank you all for comments and thoughts
I attached the NGC High Resolution pic. I had the coin reholder several years ago to replace an older scratched holder and I elected to try a sampled a high resolution photo (Paid extra for it of course) from NGC. I find that this photo and with many of my PCGS photos the details are great but the photo does not represent the coins appearance "IN HAND" . I can understand the comments of the lacquered but using my 18x loop the subject die effect is real and not any residue. I only recall seeing one lacquer silver coin in the past at a show so I may not be as observant to the characteristics. The coloration and effect is for sure exaggerated on the photo but it could be from an old lacquering wear.
PS: it was graded NGC PF 62 which I think is fair.
really nice quality image even if not accurate.
thanks for that image. i did enlarge much bigger than the other one i uploaded but the resolution is about the same. it will probably take a knowledgeable person in-hand adn/or a zoom image of that area and we still may not figure it out then.
Thanks for the comments and the P262 identification & site suggestions ... USPATTERNS,com is my first on line stop on all information about patterns. I did try a few other sites to look at photos but I usually default to Heritage for the mere quantity and their high resolution images. I did go back and check several of Stacks sales as well ... in any case it does not appear to be a re-punched without some other coin popping up.
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set registry? a little more work but very organized. - i've had a good success rate tracking things through there. probably 75-80% of what i'm looking for tends to be there. i admit though, it is hit and miss.
coinfacts doesn't have a comprehensive listing with images???
There are 7 images on PCGS CoinFacts -
1 MS (from Heritage) https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1858-1c-j-211/11892
3 PR-65 https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1858-1c-j-211/11893
3 PR-64 https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1858-1c-j-211/images/11893
6 are the centered date and rounded bust, and 1 is low and pointed bust.
Navigation is not great; you land on the MS page, and then you click to the PR-65 page and then again to the PR-64s.