KC cuts both starting tackles from last season
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Chiefs just cut Fischer and Schwartz today. they were 20 MM over cap. these moves take them to 2MM over now I believe.
I think we are seeing the first chinks in KC's armor. It looks like they will be starting a rookie at tackle and they have yet to decide who the other tackle will be. they will need to clear more MM to sign all the draft picks.
these moves do not bode well for the OL or KC chances at SB for next year.
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In the day and age of salary caps winning teams have a hard time staying together. Everyone wants a share of the winning pie.
More changes will come.
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I love a good offensive line, the guys down in the trenches doing the dirty work. Not good for KC.
very true. It makes it very difficult to win when one player will be paid 45MM per year out of a 180MM cap. the scary thing is, Mahomes big cap hits don't even begin until 2023, at which point they will be screwed.
Same with Daks deal. 40MM per is just too much. he alone accounts for 22% of the cap.
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With NFL revenues declining, it certainly was a bad time to give a QB 40 mil a year, who hadn't even accomplished anything yet of significance.
The Mahomes deal at least made sense, because at the time, everyone thought the cap would keep expanding.
The Dak deal makes very little sense, but that's what i love about Jerry Jones.
Andy Reid was an offensive lineman, so he knows those positions well. He will fill those two spots with competent players.
KC will not make the AFC championship game this year. Yep I’m Saying that and you can print it!!!
One of the Eagles strengths the last few years was their solid O-Line play. You saw what happened when both tackles went down last year. Tough enough to replace one let alone 2 for KC. The ones they used in the Super Bowl got torched all day long, so I hope that's not the plan going forward.
The Fisher cut was a no brainer because there was no guarantee he would be healthy and
ready to play this upcoming year. We do get the doctor back who opted out last year and
he's a pretty good lineman.
All in all talk of the Chiefs demise is a bit premature. They do have the best GM in the business.
But I do understand Craigs' starting this thread, he wants no part of any talk of a Chiefs dynasty
to rival the Pats so any news like this and he's all over it. Like Barney Fife he likes to nip it in the bud.
Don't know how many times he's mentioned KC's salary cap for the next few years but its probably double digits.
I agree with you. they have 3 very good skill position players, but are going to start struggling this season to keep the team of high quality. after 2 more seasons when pattys contract fully kicks in it will be very very difficult to field a top tier team. that is why it was so crucial for them to win this years SB. their window will close soon.
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its not just me talking about the KC cap situation. the real problem for them will start after the 2022 season. you can only kick the can down the road for so long. that's when pattys 45MM hit starts. its going to be brutal. for these reasons, there will be no KC dynasty.
this season, unless they cut some serious salary, I don't see how they will afford a competent OL. after cutting 2 starters, they are still 2MM over and the draft hasn't even happened yet. their LT will be a rookie and the doc is in his 30s coming of a year layoff. their OL wont be as bad as it was in the SB, but it will not be good.
by the way, I love me some barney fife. he is my 2nd favorite deputy, right behind gomer when andys out of town.
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Hill is going to be 28 so he has a few high level seasons left in him, Kelce is 31 and will start to slow down, not really sure who else is worth mentioning on the offense really but either way it’s going to be tough getting great players in KC while writing checks to cover that 500 million dollar Mahomes contract.
KC actually is rather thin at skill positions. after kelce and Hill, there is a big drop off. they had a dynamic RB in hunt who had to be cut a couple years ago. with the atrocity that is their current OL, they will not have much of a run game this coming year which will make them more predictable. Hardman has turned out to be little more than a gadget player who cannot or will not run proper routes. watkins is out of shape and hurt half the time. he will not be resigned anyway because of the cap situation. Pringle might turn into a 2nd or 3rd WR. too early to tell.
because KC needs to focus so much on their OL in this years draft, skill positions will not be addressed as they need to be so as hill and kelce age, that next wave will not be there to take over. coupled with the near 30 % cap hit for Patty after 22, its going to be rough unless they hit home runs on nearly every draft pick
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I have said for awhile that KC is one play away from being a .500 Team, and that one play almost took place during the Divisional game against Cleveland. Mahomes is elusive but how durable is he?? he's never really been hit hard or often during his career, when that starts to happen we'll see the answer to the question.
I don't know much about Pattys durability, but I think the same could be said about nearly every playoff football team being just one play away from a .500 team. In today's NFL, its pretty much if the QB goes down, so does the team.
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Vikings cut their starting left tackle.
I'll bet teams way under the cap will be making big improvements this year with a LOT of good players being cut to make cap space!!!
correct. lots of players being cut. NO cut J. Jenkins as well.
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These 2 moves with the OL had been discussed on local talk radio since the Super Bowl, and was not at all unexpected. They essentially cut 2 guys that weren't going to play much of a part in 2021, anyway. They get back the Doctor and the rookie OL draft pick that both opted out, plus whoever they draft or sign.
They're going to convert some various current players' salary to signing bonuses in the next few days, and as a result should be somewhere around $20 million under the cap by the draft, the way the insiders that cover the team report. They can make a few other moves to massage a few more million into their cap budget, and with all the players being cut (Chiefs aren't the only team working to get under the cap), should have their pick of any worthwhile talents that want to come play with Mahomes, for Reid, and in an organization as top notch as the Chiefs.
Anybody worth going after is either going to be a luxury for other teams already set at the position, or cause the other teams to scrimp somewhere else on their roster. The Chiefs will be at the top of the list for those players as a place to play. The Chiefs will be fine.
The cap may have gone down this year, but the upcoming new TV rights and other revenue streams increases are expected to cause the cap to rise by large percentages as soon as next year. Jerry kinda let the cat outta the bag on how those negotiations are going when discussing the Dak signing.
The Chiefs contract with Mahomes will actually look like a bargain for the QB position in relation to cap hit/roster building by 2022 and going forward.
It's a good thing the OL has no impact on QB performance and you can just put any body in that spot.
Just ask Russell ( big game ) Wilson !!!!
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you can only kick the can down the road for so long. Both OL cut were expected to be playing by mid-season and in-game shape by playoffs. they also have 4 OL who are free agents this year. that leaves LDT as the only "known" commodity, not knowing who they will resign on the OL. LDT is on the wrong side of 30 and has not played since 2019. he will not be playing at all-pro level for a while. they will be trusting one of the tackle positions to a rookie who also has not played since the 2019 college season who was a 3rd round draft choice.
keep in mind that a good OL consists of 3 great players, 2 good players and 3 very serviceable backups for depth. KC is not close at this point.
this does not take into account their needs at skill positions. there is no depth behind kelce and hill. as stated above, Hardman is little more than a gadget player after 3 years in the offense. an injury to either hill or kelce would be devastating as there is not a reliable 3rd option. they will not be able to resign Watson. probably wouldn't even want to honestly.
keep in mind that local radio is also playing to an audience.
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Now Craig is worried about the Chiefs skill positions.
All I've heard on these boards the last 3 years is if ____________________(insert favorite team)
had the incredible talent KC has at the skill positions then that team would be heading to the Super Bowl.
Oh if the Jets had the receivers Mahomes has then look out baby the Jets are winning 6 SB's in a row!!!!!
Now the sky is falling those receivers are older than two Tom Bradys so I suppose next Craig will
be saying Mahomes is all washed up.
Craig the Optimists club of Kansas City just called your membership application has been declined.
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I'm curious if the fans of any of the teams besides the Chiefs have heard rumors that their team is looking to sign either of the 2 injured OT that the Chiefs cut?
There's going to be plenty of talent out there in the next week or so. All teams are dealing with the reduced cap, free agent players are going to have to take less money if they want a job.
If you have to take less money anyway, wouldn't you do a one year deal with a winner? Pump your value up a little? Or, maybe if you're a guy coming off back surgery or Achilles surgery, you'd do a backloaded 2 year deal with incentives, get yourself healthy over the next 7 months, and be ready to hit the ground running in October for another Super Bowl run?
I'm pretty sure after everything shakes out these next few weeks, everyone's gonna be scratching their head wondering, what was everyone so worried about, and how did the Chiefs sign all those players?
It's looks like the Chiefs and Mahomes are restructuring his contract that will save 17 million in cap space
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wait, what? does this mean I am not getting the decoder ring?
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Its the old get out of jail free card.
Apparently the Chiefs have an automatic conversion clause in Mahomes contract that allows the team
to convert salary or bonuses to a signing bonus at any time and therefore not have it count against the cap.
I'm just disappointed Craig never told us about this.
Yes in this case they converted his roster bonus into a signing bonus
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Just in case you want to read all about it.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/patrick-mahomes-restructures-deal-why-this-season-wont-be-the-only-time-chiefs-megastar-keeps-roster-intact/
this is just kicking the can down the road. this doesn't mean the 17MM they saved on cap goes away. it is now just spread out over the remaining 8 years of the contract. if they do similar next year, the hit will be spread out over the remaining 7 years and so on.
there will come a reckoning. each year they restructure it will make the back end that much worse. that is why if they want a dynasty, last years SB was so crucial. each year they do it, it will be so much harder to win later.
this is not revolutionary, NO has done the same with Brees for years and look at their cap situation. TB just did an extension with brady. same deal. except, there is only so far they can kick the can with brady. he doesn't have as many years left to play as Patty. TB realizes they are all in right now and in 2-3 years the team will get blown up. they will be in cap hell and brady will be retired.
all these restructures are just borrowing against future years cap, which is fine as long as you know the ramifications.
NE did some of this with brady but not to the level of NO or KC because brady took smaller contracts to begin with.
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sounds to me like Chiefs fans are whistling past the Graveyard.
Interesting last paragraph us Brady fans can relate to.
"Get used to the restructures and the Chiefs winning year after year. This strategy of contract reworking helped Brady win seven Super Bowls -- and will help Mahomes win multiple championships in the years to come."
Whether it happens or not time will tell
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I guess if the cap stays at 182.5 million and starting quarterbacks not named Mahomes are only making 25 or 30 million in 7 or 8 years, then, yes it will be a problem. But by the time the new money starts rolling into the league's coffers, the cap will (should) go up at a much higher rate than Mahomes contract going forward as a percentage of the cap. By the time his cap hit is 60 million a year, Trevor Lawrence or whoever will be at 70 million, and no one will even blink because every team will be allocating their cap resources similarly. I guess we'll just have to see.
I like Craigs' a lot better, kicking the can down the road. Yours is too scary.
KC's organization is strong.
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KC has the best GM in football, Brett Veach.
He's the one that convinced the entire organization from head coach to owner and everyone in between
that Mahomes was the QB to draft in 2017. He's going to get KC the players to compete for a Super Bowl
title year after year after year. And nothing Craig says is going to change that.
Craig you're just going to have to live with your fear that the Pats may not have the last great dynasty in FB.
The other thing to remember is FA's are going to WANT to come to KC. They will win a lot of jump balls. They will be competitive as long as Mahomes stays upright
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Kyler, Josh, Baker, Lamar, Herbert and Burrow are all going to have to get paid soon as well
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could be. maybe they will win their division every year and win 6 out of 9 super bowls in an 18 year span.
anything is possible. certainly not probable, but possible.
we will have to revisit this every few years and see who has the better forecasting abilities.
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the players to compete for a Super Bowl title year after year after year
this was the same happy talk we heard about Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll and the Seahawks organization after the 2013 season SB victory. if it were that easy to accomplish it'd be done more often. right now, KC is a fine Team but they face some stiff competition in the coming years. the opinions expressed about them by "homers" is that while they build forward the rest of the NFL is stagnant.
such is not the case, look to the Seahawks for that. one and done, struggling now to be relevant in their Division. the NFL is tough.
Brett Veach must be kicking the can down the haunted graveyard road while humming
a pretty cool tune because he just freed up more cap space by reworking Kelce and Jones'
contracts and then signing the best guard available Joe Tuney who used to play for the Pats.
Craig could you give us an update on how good Tuney is since he used to play for your favorite
team and now is going to play for the team you keep saying is going to be in big trouble because
of Mahomes' contract?
https://www.si.com/nfl/chiefs/gm-report/kansas-city-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-contract-restructuring-breakdown
joe is a very good guard. and they are paying a kings ransom for him. there are two philosophies to building a line. be it OL or DL. you can build top-down or bottom-up. now, KC really is starting almost completely from scratch. they have a rookie tackle and an older guard, neither of which has played in 2 years. Kc seems to be building top-down. they just signed the most expensive lineman first. this will necessitate them filling in the line with lesser talent as so many resources went into one part. had they gone bottom-up, they could have signed a number of decent to good OL to fill in all the empty spots. they still need a center and another tackle and backups as right now they have no depth, and I think we all remember what happened a few months ago when they had no depth.
and yes, they are now paying 16MM per for one lineman, a very good one. they still have a bunch of spots to fill.
do you not think they are kicking the can down the road?? if you don't, I would love to hear your rationalization.
all contract renegotiations are, even the really complicated ones, are borrowing from future caps.
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Craig the cap limit is going to be going up big time for the next several years after this year
so its really just a one time deal with many teams having to let players go.
Basically a non issue with the Chiefs and they will probably sign the best available tackle
just like they got the best available guard in Joe Tuney.
Count- thank you for the great article I hope Craig reads it so it gives him a better understanding of Mahomes contract.