So everyone's gotten all the Tiffany cards they want, right?

ReggieCleveland

Because they've officially hit ludicrous speed.

Arthur

emar

Been trying!
My favorite is '87 Larkin, $120 a while back.
I'd like the maddux, just waiting for a pullback.

GoDodgersFan

I follow the Bonds, but the Canseco is a wow ! Good to see Canseco getting some love.

LarkinCollector

@emar said:
Been trying!
My favorite is '87 Larkin, $120 a while back.
I'd like the maddux, just waiting for a pullback.

Wow, I hadn't checked in a long time. My Larkin collection is officially for sale now that the craziness has hit him too.

emar

Larkin Tiffany is a great RC!
I could be wrong, I think it's the lowest pop.
Underrated HOFer. He deserves more attention

hyperchipper09

Pretty much. Mine don't compare, but I am fond of the Tez and Slava.

ringer

On my 87 Tiffany set, every card was so off center that I soured on getting any more sets.

craig44

there is an 85 clemens tiffany psa 10 with days left at $10,600.00

tiffany are nuts.

Nathaniel1960

@ringer said:
On my 87 Tiffany set, every card was so off center that I soured on getting any more sets.

Same here.

ringer

@Nathaniel1960 said:

@ringer said:
On my 87 Tiffany set, every card was so off center that I soured on getting any more sets.

Same here.

I mean, I have an 87 Bonds in perfect condition that is so off center I’d be lucky to get an 8.

ReggieCleveland

I think the play now is to nab some 9s if they slide by cheap. The PSA 9s on the '87 Leafs have already started upward moving but I don't think the Tiffanys have done it yet.

The Canseco Tiffany, while still probably the toughest 10 in the Tiffany set, had the lowest pop for many years. When I was working on my worksheet in ~2014 there were only 20 PSA 10 Tiffany Cansecos. It's up to 41 now but it's still the only heavily-submitted card in the set that even comes close to me arbitrarily designated mark for condition sensitivity: 5% PSA 10 strike rate.

Public service announcement: Please, please, please be extra vigilant when buying a Tiffany set online. The overwhelming majority of the ones for sale have been searched and resealed, probably multiple times, and probably not by the current seller. Make sure you get clean pictures of EVERY side of the box, including the bottom, and do not buy any sets in boxes that show even the tiniest bit of wear.

Arthur

craig44

that is very good advise Arthur

craig44

there have been a number of 1986 Tiffany Bonds in psa 10 sell for between 13k and 16k

very strong prices

ReggieCleveland

@craig44 said:
there have been a number of 1986 Tiffany Bonds in psa 10 sell for between 13k and 16k

very strong prices

I know the '87 has been going between $5,000-$6,000, too.

I think the issue here is a much larger one that applies to this era of collecting: we need to re-calibrate what we think of "low pop" and, more importantly, what is a population report that is high enough that would prevent a card from reaching a market value of $500-$1,000.

I've long predicted the wave of hobby boom kids returning to the hobby as adults with disposable income and eagerly anticipating what that would do to the hobby. But we've seen much more than that. We've seen a perfect storm where a floodgate of new buyers have entered the market, yes, some as returning to the hobby they participated in their youth but also a serious contingent of Wall Street people who have seen the gains cards have brought over the last 30 years.

We've seen Wall Street make moves on the hobby before but they were always smaller, pump & dump moves because the amount of people involved was smaller. What we have now is an enormous amount of people from the financial sector entering with the intention of becoming seriously involved long-term. They're looking to educate themselves about the intricacies and idiosyncrasies of the market and, in turn, we're not seeing P&D activity reflected in the sales histories.

The fact that cards that just a year ago you could buy for $200 became $4,000 cards and have now settled into a $2,500 value is a good sign that what we're seeing is not a bubble. This is how everything behaved shortly after COVID hit: cards exploded and hit record highs. People, convinced this was the peak, put their own cards up for sale, which diluted the market and they sold out as fast as they could. Prices dropped a little due to market dilution.

Then it came roaring back. The card I bought for $150, which I was happy to sell for $700, is now worth $2,500. You can see the exact same activity with the '87 Topps Tiffanys. They scorched to the top and then fell back a little bit. Now they're breaking new ground again. Same with '87 Leaf and other sets from that period.

It's impossible for us to know what the actual demand is for a card. Are there 20 buyers, 200 buyers, 2,000 buyers? But we definitely need to stop looking at a card with a 1k PSA 10 count and think "there are more than enough to go around." Because there aren't. Not even close.

Arthur

WalkinDude

Picked this up in 2017.

blurryface

i wonder what about 1500 of the '84, 2000 of the '85 and 600 of the '86 tiffany ryan's would go for? all various grades and raw? 😉

ReggieCleveland

I don't have much experience grading '84 Tiffany but '85 & '86 are just brutal. BREW-TALL. Finding a centered '85 Tiffany card is like naming your own comet.

Arthur

rtimmer

I tried to put together a PSA 10 ‘87 Donruss set and gave up about a third of the way in because you just couldn’t find enough 10s.

Picked up a few leaf too and It looks like these are worth something now:

Vagabond

SoxPatsFan

Glad I picked these up when I did (6-9 months ago). $50 each for the Boggs', $40 each for the Mattingly & Gwynn. I really wanted a PSA 10 1984 Boggs Tiffany, but only 2 have come up for sale and both went for around $300 each. I did buy a BGS 9.5 Boggs last year for $76 so at least I have one in my collection.

craig44

@ReggieCleveland said:

@craig44 said:
there have been a number of 1986 Tiffany Bonds in psa 10 sell for between 13k and 16k

very strong prices

I know the '87 has been going between $5,000-$6,000, too.

I think the issue here is a much larger one that applies to this era of collecting: we need to re-calibrate what we think of "low pop" and, more importantly, what is a population report that is high enough that would prevent a card from reaching a market value of $500-$1,000.

I've long predicted the wave of hobby boom kids returning to the hobby as adults with disposable income and eagerly anticipating what that would do to the hobby. But we've seen much more than that. We've seen a perfect storm where a floodgate of new buyers have entered the market, yes, some as returning to the hobby they participated in their youth but also a serious contingent of Wall Street people who have seen the gains cards have brought over the last 30 years.

We've seen Wall Street make moves on the hobby before but they were always smaller, pump & dump moves because the amount of people involved was smaller. What we have now is an enormous amount of people from the financial sector entering with the intention of becoming seriously involved long-term. They're looking to educate themselves about the intricacies and idiosyncrasies of the market and, in turn, we're not seeing P&D activity reflected in the sales histories.

The fact that cards that just a year ago you could buy for $200 became $4,000 cards and have now settled into a $2,500 value is a good sign that what we're seeing is not a bubble. This is how everything behaved shortly after COVID hit: cards exploded and hit record highs. People, convinced this was the peak, put their own cards up for sale, which diluted the market and they sold out as fast as they could. Prices dropped a little due to market dilution.

Then it came roaring back. The card I bought for $150, which I was happy to sell for $700, is now worth $2,500. You can see the exact same activity with the '87 Topps Tiffanys. They scorched to the top and then fell back a little bit. Now they're breaking new ground again. Same with '87 Leaf and other sets from that period.

It's impossible for us to know what the actual demand is for a card. Are there 20 buyers, 200 buyers, 2,000 buyers? But we definitely need to stop looking at a card with a 1k PSA 10 count and think "there are more than enough to go around." Because there aren't. Not even close.

Arthur

I think you are absolutely correct that what we are seeing is not a bubble. the huge increases we saw in 2016 with the "buyers group" didn't last nearly as long as what we are seeing here. We are very close to the current increases being at a year with no end in sight. I think we are now seeing a new floor for cards.

craig44

what do you guys think the all time top 5 tiffany cards are? I have to think these 5 are at or near the top:

1984 Mattingly
1985 McGwire
1985 Clemens
1986 Traded Bonds
1989 Bowman Griffey.

I know at least 3 of these are legit 5 figure cards now in PSA 10

DM23HOF

Collectors just love their Tiffany cards; I look at these two every day— great color on the Tiffanys...

craig44

what would a 1985 psa 10 tiffany McGwire sell for?

I haven't seen one sell for quite some time. I have to think it is at least a 20k card. probably more.

I sure wish I had picked one up a number of years ago. I always figured that it was a card I could always get.
boy was I wrong.

ReggieCleveland

Most of my Tiffanys have come from cracking sets and self-subbing but I did pick up some a while back when they were cheap.

emar

Adding my Tiffanys to the thread.
Well said @ReggieCleveland... re-calibrate what we think of "low pop"
IMO, 400 or 500 pop could be considered low.
If you like 1 Maddux, why not 5 or 10 in your collection as an investment

blurryface

@craig44 said:
what do you guys think the all time top 5 tiffany cards are? I have to think these 5 are at or near the top:

1984 Mattingly
1985 McGwire
1985 Clemens
1986 Traded Bonds
1989 Bowman Griffey.

I know at least 3 of these are legit 5 figure cards now in PSA 10

i'd put the 86ttt bo jackson somewhere on that list.

82FootballWaxMemorys

When I read the title first thing I thought of was cards of 80's Mall Singer Tiffany.

Carry on

ReggieCleveland

@82FootballWaxMemorys said:
When I read the title first thing I thought of was cards of 80's Mall Singer Tiffany.

Carry on

Do they make those? I would definitely buy an unopened wax box and display it next to my Cyndy Lauper wax box.

Arthur

LarkinCollector

No wax boxes I'm aware of, just this sticker set: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-6-TIFFANY-xRARE-1988-U-K-FANZ-Music-Sticker-Cards-POP-Singer/233873646719 I think she may have had a card or two in some sort of pop music set from the late 80s/early 90s also.

rtimmer

I put this one together at a time when they were a little less expensive. And believe me it’s a bear to break enough sets in the often futile efforts to sub for 10s.

https://psacard.com/psasetregistry/baseball/company-sets/1986-topps-tiffany-traded/alltimeset/184357

ReggieCleveland

@LarkinCollector said:
No wax boxes I'm aware of, just this sticker set: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-6-TIFFANY-xRARE-1988-U-K-FANZ-Music-Sticker-Cards-POP-Singer/233873646719 I think she may have had a card or two in some sort of pop music set from the late 80s/early 90s also.

She's got to be in one of those MTV-type card sets. I always intended to pick up a bunch of those wax boxes and never did. They're probably about $500 each now.

Arthur

NGS428

@rtimmer said:
I put this one together at a time when they were a little less expensive. And believe me it’s a bear to break enough sets in the often futile efforts to sub for 10s.

https://psacard.com/psasetregistry/baseball/company-sets/1986-topps-tiffany-traded/alltimeset/184357

Now that is impressive!

NGS428

As you have probably seen from the pickups thread, I am fond of PSA 9 Tiffany rookie cards.. Here are a few of my pickups over the last few months.. I will spare you the backs...

azvike

anyone have a nice 1987 Topps Tiffany Dale Mohorcic they might consider selling?

clarke442

Pretty well stocked up . . . But could always add more

ringer

@ReggieCleveland said:
I think the play now is to nab some 9s if they slide by cheap. The PSA 9s on the '87 Leafs have already started upward moving but I don't think the Tiffanys have done it yet.

The Canseco Tiffany, while still probably the toughest 10 in the Tiffany set, had the lowest pop for many years. When I was working on my worksheet in ~2014 there were only 20 PSA 10 Tiffany Cansecos. It's up to 41 now but it's still the only heavily-submitted card in the set that even comes close to me arbitrarily designated mark for condition sensitivity: 5% PSA 10 strike rate.

Public service announcement: Please, please, please be extra vigilant when buying a Tiffany set online. The overwhelming majority of the ones for sale have been searched and resealed, probably multiple times, and probably not by the current seller. Make sure you get clean pictures of EVERY side of the box, including the bottom, and do not buy any sets in boxes that show even the tiniest bit of wear.

Arthur

I’ve learned this the hard way. I just opened my third Tiffany sealed set I bought off eBay and the centering in all three was so bad as to be practically worthless.

JoeBanzai

Last year I bought approximately 20 factory sealed 1989-91 Bowman sets, (not Tiffany) and got no well centered Frank Thomas cards, 1 Griffey that might 10 and maybe 1 Chipper. I got enough of the 2nd tier and HOFers that should be 10's so that I shouldn't lose money, but I got those sets at reasonable prices.

Finding "perfect" cards is not easy. With the cost of Tiffany, I would not gamble on finding 10's.

Too high of a risk IMO.

lwehlers

well these are my favorite tiffany cards.

lwehlers

i missed one more. i got all of these before the card boom of the last year.

lwehlers

1986 topps tiffany is the worst of the tiffany set of the eighties in my opinion.

billwaltonsbeard

I've been buying raw Tiffany Nolan Ryans for years and have a nice little hoard...............yaayyyy me

craig44

Nice group of Griffeys there.

softparade

Not a fan of issues that weren't released in packs. But they sure are cool looking.

hyperchipper09

First graded Tiffany in my full collecting return in 2012. Straw looking happy

ringer

@azvike said:
anyone have a nice 1987 Topps Tiffany Dale Mohorcic they might consider selling?

If you were serious, I have one that would be available.

blurryface

@billwaltonsbeard said:
I've been buying raw Tiffany Nolan Ryans for years and have a nice little hoard...............yaayyyy me

So it’s been you! 👿

I usually waited until I had 50 or so of each before i subbed the batches but w the pending price increase I just subbed what I had this go around. But wasn’t joking earlier about owning a couple thousand of the Tiffany Ryans.

miwlvrn

@ReggieCleveland said:

@craig44 said:
there have been a number of 1986 Tiffany Bonds in psa 10 sell for between 13k and 16k

very strong prices

I know the '87 has been going between $5,000-$6,000, too.

I think the issue here is a much larger one that applies to this era of collecting: we need to re-calibrate what we think of "low pop" and, more importantly, what is a population report that is high enough that would prevent a card from reaching a market value of $500-$1,000.

I've long predicted the wave of hobby boom kids returning to the hobby as adults with disposable income and eagerly anticipating what that would do to the hobby. But we've seen much more than that. We've seen a perfect storm where a floodgate of new buyers have entered the market, yes, some as returning to the hobby they participated in their youth but also a serious contingent of Wall Street people who have seen the gains cards have brought over the last 30 years.

We've seen Wall Street make moves on the hobby before but they were always smaller, pump & dump moves because the amount of people involved was smaller. What we have now is an enormous amount of people from the financial sector entering with the intention of becoming seriously involved long-term. They're looking to educate themselves about the intricacies and idiosyncrasies of the market and, in turn, we're not seeing P&D activity reflected in the sales histories.

The fact that cards that just a year ago you could buy for $200 became $4,000 cards and have now settled into a $2,500 value is a good sign that what we're seeing is not a bubble. This is how everything behaved shortly after COVID hit: cards exploded and hit record highs. People, convinced this was the peak, put their own cards up for sale, which diluted the market and they sold out as fast as they could. Prices dropped a little due to market dilution.

Then it came roaring back. The card I bought for $150, which I was happy to sell for $700, is now worth $2,500. You can see the exact same activity with the '87 Topps Tiffanys. They scorched to the top and then fell back a little bit. Now they're breaking new ground again. Same with '87 Leaf and other sets from that period.

It's impossible for us to know what the actual demand is for a card. Are there 20 buyers, 200 buyers, 2,000 buyers? But we definitely need to stop looking at a card with a 1k PSA 10 count and think "there are more than enough to go around." Because there aren't. Not even close.

Arthur

There has been a lot of excitement over the recent 1987 Leaf gains; I notice that the 1986 Leaf PSA 10 McGriff has been making some impressive climbs lately too.

ReggieCleveland

@miwlvrn said:

@ReggieCleveland said:

@craig44 said:
there have been a number of 1986 Tiffany Bonds in psa 10 sell for between 13k and 16k

very strong prices

I know the '87 has been going between $5,000-$6,000, too.

I think the issue here is a much larger one that applies to this era of collecting: we need to re-calibrate what we think of "low pop" and, more importantly, what is a population report that is high enough that would prevent a card from reaching a market value of $500-$1,000.

I've long predicted the wave of hobby boom kids returning to the hobby as adults with disposable income and eagerly anticipating what that would do to the hobby. But we've seen much more than that. We've seen a perfect storm where a floodgate of new buyers have entered the market, yes, some as returning to the hobby they participated in their youth but also a serious contingent of Wall Street people who have seen the gains cards have brought over the last 30 years.

We've seen Wall Street make moves on the hobby before but they were always smaller, pump & dump moves because the amount of people involved was smaller. What we have now is an enormous amount of people from the financial sector entering with the intention of becoming seriously involved long-term. They're looking to educate themselves about the intricacies and idiosyncrasies of the market and, in turn, we're not seeing P&D activity reflected in the sales histories.

The fact that cards that just a year ago you could buy for $200 became $4,000 cards and have now settled into a $2,500 value is a good sign that what we're seeing is not a bubble. This is how everything behaved shortly after COVID hit: cards exploded and hit record highs. People, convinced this was the peak, put their own cards up for sale, which diluted the market and they sold out as fast as they could. Prices dropped a little due to market dilution.

Then it came roaring back. The card I bought for $150, which I was happy to sell for $700, is now worth $2,500. You can see the exact same activity with the '87 Topps Tiffanys. They scorched to the top and then fell back a little bit. Now they're breaking new ground again. Same with '87 Leaf and other sets from that period.

It's impossible for us to know what the actual demand is for a card. Are there 20 buyers, 200 buyers, 2,000 buyers? But we definitely need to stop looking at a card with a 1k PSA 10 count and think "there are more than enough to go around." Because there aren't. Not even close.

Arthur

There has been a lot of excitement over the recent 1987 Leaf gains; I notice that the 1986 Leaf PSA 10 McGriff has been making some impressive climbs lately too.

I know I saw one end at $1500. Has there been a higher sale?

Arthur

craig44

clemens tiffany rookie is up to $22.6k with over 3 hours to go. when this sells, will it be the most paid for a tiffany card?

checking ebay sold, I see some 86 bonds selling for 16k. i don't have any data from before last 3 months. i have to think that none have sold for more as cards are continually increasing in price.

probably only the mcgwire would sell for more.

miwlvrn

@ReggieCleveland said:

@miwlvrn said:

@ReggieCleveland said:

@craig44 said:
there have been a number of 1986 Tiffany Bonds in psa 10 sell for between 13k and 16k

very strong prices

I know the '87 has been going between $5,000-$6,000, too.

I think the issue here is a much larger one that applies to this era of collecting: we need to re-calibrate what we think of "low pop" and, more importantly, what is a population report that is high enough that would prevent a card from reaching a market value of $500-$1,000.

I've long predicted the wave of hobby boom kids returning to the hobby as adults with disposable income and eagerly anticipating what that would do to the hobby. But we've seen much more than that. We've seen a perfect storm where a floodgate of new buyers have entered the market, yes, some as returning to the hobby they participated in their youth but also a serious contingent of Wall Street people who have seen the gains cards have brought over the last 30 years.

We've seen Wall Street make moves on the hobby before but they were always smaller, pump & dump moves because the amount of people involved was smaller. What we have now is an enormous amount of people from the financial sector entering with the intention of becoming seriously involved long-term. They're looking to educate themselves about the intricacies and idiosyncrasies of the market and, in turn, we're not seeing P&D activity reflected in the sales histories.

The fact that cards that just a year ago you could buy for $200 became $4,000 cards and have now settled into a $2,500 value is a good sign that what we're seeing is not a bubble. This is how everything behaved shortly after COVID hit: cards exploded and hit record highs. People, convinced this was the peak, put their own cards up for sale, which diluted the market and they sold out as fast as they could. Prices dropped a little due to market dilution.

Then it came roaring back. The card I bought for $150, which I was happy to sell for $700, is now worth $2,500. You can see the exact same activity with the '87 Topps Tiffanys. They scorched to the top and then fell back a little bit. Now they're breaking new ground again. Same with '87 Leaf and other sets from that period.

It's impossible for us to know what the actual demand is for a card. Are there 20 buyers, 200 buyers, 2,000 buyers? But we definitely need to stop looking at a card with a 1k PSA 10 count and think "there are more than enough to go around." Because there aren't. Not even close.

Arthur

There has been a lot of excitement over the recent 1987 Leaf gains; I notice that the 1986 Leaf PSA 10 McGriff has been making some impressive climbs lately too.

I know I saw one end at $1500. Has there been a higher sale?

Arthur

I'm not saying he is the best HOF candidate that has ever been considered during voting, but I definitely put him above some players who have already been elected. If he ever eventually gets in via veterans committee, there should be a heck of a bump on that '86 Leaf at that point. Maybe the increased sales prices on that one are relative to speculative buying for that potential?