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Fish eyes - consistent from card to card?

burghmanburghman Posts: 958 ✭✭✭✭
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I was looking at the card below on eBay and noticed that one of the listed cards looked identical to a recently sold card, based purely on fish eyes and other markings on the cards. Same seller, grade, and price so I figured it was a canceled sale and a relist. However, the cert #s are 1 apart, so definitely different cards. On closer inspection, there are a couple fish eyes that are less obvious or missing on one card but 90% of the markings - fish eyes, wear on the right side of the pink area, black marks, etc. - are identical.

Is this normal? Maybe I've just never seen cards printed in this close proximity to highlight the identical markings. And I always thought fish eyes has something to do with the ink adhering to that particular card, but this seems to indicate that it could be a plate issue (always? or just some of the time?).

I've circled the marks that don't appear on the other card, but you can see that just about everything else with the cards match up perfectly. Kinda makes me wonder how effective imaging will be in identifying alterations to a card - I guess there will never be 2 exact matches still, but it's not as obvious as I once thought it would be...


Jim

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  • blurryfaceblurryface Posts: 5,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 8, 2021 8:37AM

    72 erving's elbow says hi!

  • BatpigBatpig Posts: 460 ✭✭✭

    I think there are just different circumstances, because there are definitely fish eyes that are common on certain cards in the same place. Some are so common that they don’t really affect grade. For example, the 1972-73 Dr. J elbow fisheye.

  • burghmanburghman Posts: 958 ✭✭✭✭

    Good points, guys - I'm not a basketball guy so I wasn't aware of that one. I'm just amazed at the dozen or so that line up on these cards, and even more at the matching wear in the pink area. I own one of these that's also PSA 8, but the fish eyes on mine are in different spots and I don't have the pink wear. I've followed a few of the BODA threads on the other board that track suspected alterations, and they use marks and fish eyes to match a card from before and after pics - these 2 cards could definitely be confused with each other.

    Jim

  • Copyboy1Copyboy1 Posts: 479 ✭✭✭✭

    Fisheyes are caused by air bubbles in the printing. So they're usually not in the same place over and over. However a roll through the press may not fully remove the original bubble, so the next card through would get a similar bubble in a similar spot.

  • 19591959 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭

    I think the card should be 8 PD . But both were graded recently. Oh well!

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