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  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can't stand that haircut. It bugs the yell out of me for some reason.

    Kiper has Ryan Leaf at #8. So just like anyone else predicting draft outcomes, it's a dartboard with some throwing the darts better than others.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's always interesting to see how the top picks in the draft turn out in the NFL. Some good, some complete busts. I think Steve is right about Mel Kiper's hair, he is another man who could play the role of Dracula if he wanted.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    It's always interesting to see how the top picks in the draft turn out in the NFL. Some good, some complete busts. I think Steve is right about Mel Kiper's hair, he is another man who could play the role of Dracula if he wanted.

    And you're right, I don't like Mel Kiper's haircut either. ;)

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    great. now every time i see Kiper on tv, I will be thinking of Dracula

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I also hate trevor lawrence's hair as well. a bit too feminine.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interestingly, Mel Kiper's hair has it's own Twitter account and it has 4 followers. I'm not kidding.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/kipershair?lang=en

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    Interestingly, Mel Kiper's hair has it's own Twitter account and it has 4 followers. I'm not kidding.

    Just for the record, i am not one of those followers...and thank goodness for that.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I also hate trevor lawrence's hair as well. a bit too feminine.

    If i was a defensive player, i couldn't wait to tackle Lawrence by grabbing his hair and pulling him down.

    Yea, i'd get fifteen yards, and maybe thrown out of the game, but it'd be worth it. :D

  • dallasactuarydallasactuary Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    @craig44 said:
    I also hate trevor lawrence's hair as well. a bit too feminine.

    If i was a defensive player, i couldn't wait to tackle Lawrence by grabbing his hair and pulling him down.

    Yea, i'd get fifteen yards, and maybe thrown out of the game, but it'd be worth it. :D

    It's not a penalty to tackle by the hair. I have no idea why it doesn't happen all the time; I'd certainly do it every chance I got.

    This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dallasactuary said:

    @stevek said:

    @craig44 said:
    I also hate trevor lawrence's hair as well. a bit too feminine.

    If i was a defensive player, i couldn't wait to tackle Lawrence by grabbing his hair and pulling him down.

    Yea, i'd get fifteen yards, and maybe thrown out of the game, but it'd be worth it. :D

    It's not a penalty to tackle by the hair. I have no idea why it doesn't happen all the time; I'd certainly do it every chance I got.

    Perhaps not a penalty, but certainly bad etiquette. :D

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 9,165 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:
    I also hate trevor lawrence's hair as well. a bit too feminine.

    Reminds me of Clay Matthews from his Green Bay days.

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  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dallasactuary said:

    It's not a penalty to tackle by the hair. I have no idea why it doesn't happen all the time; I'd certainly do it every chance I got.

    Because there's a good chance you get a horse collar if you miss the hair and that IS a penalty.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    I can't stand that haircut. It bugs the yell out of me for some reason.

    Kiper has Ryan Leaf at #8.

    I will go to my grave believing Leaf would have been a productive pro had he started with a better organization. The Chargers should have sat him for a year or more instead of throwing him to the wolves with no talent around him.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 30,660 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @stevek said:
    I can't stand that haircut. It bugs the yell out of me for some reason.

    Kiper has Ryan Leaf at #8.

    I will go to my grave believing Leaf would have been a productive pro had he started with a better organization. The Chargers should have sat him for a year or more instead of throwing him to the wolves with no talent around him.

    You could say the same thing about David Carr or Joey Harrington

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Joey Harrington, now that is a blast from the past. forgot all about him.

    I remember Heath Shuler was hyped up pretty strongly as well.

    George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @dallasactuary said:

    It's not a penalty to tackle by the hair. I have no idea why it doesn't happen all the time; I'd certainly do it every chance I got.

    Because there's a good chance you get a horse collar if you miss the hair and that IS a penalty.

    Yes, horse collar or unnecessary roughness, or something like that. I've never seen it done, so i think there must be some penalty involved if the ref sees it.

    Don't forget, even if there's no penalty, the league could and likely would fine the player after the game for doing it. And i'd say the player deserved the fine, even though i would laugh at the incident. :D

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    <<< Career notes: Leaf vs. Manning was a massive debate in 1998, and the Colts made the right choice with the top pick. Leaf had a dismal career, going 4-17 in his career as an NFL starter. He was released by the Chargers after three "turbulent" seasons. "With Ryan, there were too many off-of-the-field issues that I guess I should have paid more attention to," former Chargers general manager Bobby Beathard said years later. Leaf ended his career with 14 touchdown passes and 36 picks. >>>

    I think with other positions, particularly defense, i'm not saying to ignore off the field issues, but i think it's less important to draft success. I recall Warren Sapp falling in the draft because of off the field issues, and look how well he performed in his NFL career.

    I believe with QB's, which is by far the most complex and important position in American team sports, there should basically be no off the field issues. Johnny Manziel is a good example of what a team shouldn't draft.

  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tony Mandarich. nuff said. Cover of SI

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  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭✭✭

    and Kiper looks like a grown up eddie munster

    #LetsGoSwitzerlandThe Man Who Does Not Read Has No Advantage Over the Man Who Cannot Read. The biggest obstacle to progress is a habit of “buying what we want and begging for what we need.”You get the Freedom you fight for and get the Oppression you deserve.
  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @perkdog said:

    You could say the same thing about David Carr or Joey Harrington

    I'm not certain on Harrington but I lean towards agreeing. Definitely agree on Carr. That first year in Houston wrecked him.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    Yes, horse collar or unnecessary roughness, or something like that. I've never seen it done, so i think there must be some penalty involved if the ref sees it.

    Don't forget, even if there's no penalty, the league could and likely would fine the player after the game for doing it. And i'd say the player deserved the fine, even though i would laugh at the incident. :D

    I've seen guys use the hair to make tackles. No penalty, completely legal. I forget who it was but I saw one tackle where the defender ended up pulling out one of the runner's braids. Literally had a braid in his hand when he came up.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    <<< Career notes: Leaf vs. Manning was a massive debate in 1998, and the Colts made the right choice with the top pick. Leaf had a dismal career, going 4-17 in his career as an NFL starter. He was released by the Chargers after three "turbulent" seasons. "With Ryan, there were too many off-of-the-field issues that I guess I should have paid more attention to," former Chargers general manager Bobby Beathard said years later. Leaf ended his career with 14 touchdown passes and 36 picks.

    There were definitely some red flags in Leaf's college career. A year on the bench in the NFL could have gone a long way toward maturing him, especially if the team gave him a mentor to look after him, and made him successful. Not saying a team should have to give guys a babysitter, just saying Leaf clearly needed to mature and the organization could have helped in that.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,037 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Tabe said:

    @stevek said:

    <<< Career notes: Leaf vs. Manning was a massive debate in 1998, and the Colts made the right choice with the top pick. Leaf had a dismal career, going 4-17 in his career as an NFL starter. He was released by the Chargers after three "turbulent" seasons. "With Ryan, there were too many off-of-the-field issues that I guess I should have paid more attention to," former Chargers general manager Bobby Beathard said years later. Leaf ended his career with 14 touchdown passes and 36 picks.

    There were definitely some red flags in Leaf's college career. A year on the bench in the NFL could have gone a long way toward maturing him, especially if the team gave him a mentor to look after him, and made him successful. Not saying a team should have to give guys a babysitter, just saying Leaf clearly needed to mature and the organization could have helped in that.

    Point understood, but in my opinion, no amount of nurturing would have likely helped Ryan Leaf.

    Leaf just had the type of personality whereby suddenly giving him many millions of dollars, he just couldn't handle it in a mature manner.

    I've read stories about some who hit the lottery, and a year or two later wished they never hit it because it wound up wrecking their lives. A number of them actually wound up with less money than they had before hitting the lottery, with accumulated debt, etc.

  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:

    Point understood, but in my opinion, no amount of nurturing would have likely helped Ryan Leaf.

    Leaf just had the type of personality whereby suddenly giving him many millions of dollars, he just couldn't handle it in a mature manner.

    I've read stories about some who hit the lottery, and a year or two later wished they never hit it because it wound up wrecking their lives. A number of them actually wound up with less money than they had before hitting the lottery, with accumulated debt, etc.

    There's certainly a decent chance his issues would have never allowed him to be successful. He drank a lot in college and obviously went on to have addiction issues in the pros, too. So maybe he was hopeless.

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