Pretty cool looking 1813. Lower grade 1813s often appear to be missing design elements. Many coins were not struck very well that year. The 1813 O-109 single leaf has not been fully embraced as yet, mostly because mint state examples of the die state show an arc of the second leaf. This is different that the 1812 single leaf which exists in PCGS MS63 with the leaf missing, the 1814 single leaf in PCGS MS64 with leaf missing and the 1817 single leaf in PCGS in PCGS MS66. These are all plated on coin facts.
@GoBust said:
Pretty cool looking 1813. Lower grade 1813s often appear to be missing design elements. Many coins were not struck very well that year. The 1813 O-109 single leaf has not been fully embraced as yet, mostly because mint state examples of the die state show an arc of the second leaf. This is different that the 1812 single leaf which exists in PCGS MS63 with the leaf missing, the 1814 single leaf in PCGS MS64 with leaf missing and the 1817 single leaf in PCGS in PCGS MS66. These are all plated on coin facts.
Interesting. I always wondered why the 1813 wasn’t really accepted.
@GoBust said:
Pretty cool looking 1813. Lower grade 1813s often appear to be missing design elements. Many coins were not struck very well that year. The 1813 O-109 single leaf has not been fully embraced as yet, mostly because mint state examples of the die state show an arc of the second leaf. This is different that the 1812 single leaf which exists in PCGS MS63 with the leaf missing, the 1814 single leaf in PCGS MS64 with leaf missing and the 1817 single leaf in PCGS in PCGS MS66. These are all plated on coin facts.
Interesting. I always wondered why the 1813 wasn’t really accepted.
@GoBust said:
Pretty cool looking 1813. Lower grade 1813s often appear to be missing design elements. Many coins were not struck very well that year. The 1813 O-109 single leaf has not been fully embraced as yet, mostly because mint state examples of the die state show an arc of the second leaf. This is different that the 1812 single leaf which exists in PCGS MS63 with the leaf missing, the 1814 single leaf in PCGS MS64 with leaf missing and the 1817 single leaf in PCGS in PCGS MS66. These are all plated on coin facts.
Interesting. I always wondered why the 1813 wasn’t really accepted.
They're certainly accepted dollar-wise.
They’d be on another level if they were by The Whole community.
I think the 1809 O-109 late state is still interesting and collectible. They trade for a strong premium, just not near the other 3 single leaf varities. The 12 single leaf is the most rare by far and it's value jumped IMHO when the MS63 was confirmed. I'm guessing there are 15 to 20 identified so far. If the 1813 O-109 is eventually found in mint state with only one leaf, if
If guess that demand would rise considerably. With die state coins like this i still hunt for them. I currently have 1813 O-109a examples in PCGS XF45 CAC and NGC AU55. Both holders denote "single leaf".
As an aside, many bust half collectors anticipate that PCGS will add the 1812 single leaf to the Classic set eventually. So if you can find a decent example, I'd advise snapping it up. Herrmans price guide gives good info on value ranges.
I know this has been discussed before but I will just throw in another worn lower grade that also has "lost" it's trace of a second leaf.
I also have a second example of this variety and also another late and worn die state.
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Interesting. Food for thought. All we need now is a high grade piece.
A: The year they spend more on their library than their coin collection.
A numismatist is judged more on the content of their library than the content of their cabinet.
Pretty cool looking 1813. Lower grade 1813s often appear to be missing design elements. Many coins were not struck very well that year. The 1813 O-109 single leaf has not been fully embraced as yet, mostly because mint state examples of the die state show an arc of the second leaf. This is different that the 1812 single leaf which exists in PCGS MS63 with the leaf missing, the 1814 single leaf in PCGS MS64 with leaf missing and the 1817 single leaf in PCGS in PCGS MS66. These are all plated on coin facts.
Interesting. I always wondered why the 1813 wasn’t really accepted.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
They're certainly accepted dollar-wise.
Early American Copper, Bust and Seated.
They’d be on another level if they were by The Whole community.
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
I think the 1809 O-109 late state is still interesting and collectible. They trade for a strong premium, just not near the other 3 single leaf varities. The 12 single leaf is the most rare by far and it's value jumped IMHO when the MS63 was confirmed. I'm guessing there are 15 to 20 identified so far. If the 1813 O-109 is eventually found in mint state with only one leaf, if
If guess that demand would rise considerably. With die state coins like this i still hunt for them. I currently have 1813 O-109a examples in PCGS XF45 CAC and NGC AU55. Both holders denote "single leaf".
As an aside, many bust half collectors anticipate that PCGS will add the 1812 single leaf to the Classic set eventually. So if you can find a decent example, I'd advise snapping it up. Herrmans price guide gives good info on value ranges.
Here's my MS63 which illustrates what @GoBust spoke of. There is still a trace of the 2nd leaf.
The TV doesn't show it well. The leaf appears to be well absent. Below the TV is an image I shot which clearly shows the leaf's outline.
Lance.
I know this has been discussed before but I will just throw in another worn lower grade that also has "lost" it's trace of a second leaf.



I also have a second example of this variety and also another late and worn die state.
That's a really lovely coin Lance, the color and luster is amazing for such an "end of the trail" strike. Thanks for posting.