Andy Reid overrated?
craig44
Posts: 11,247 ✭✭✭✭✭
in Sports Talk
with all the talk about Belichick being not as great as many thought, do you think Reid is the same?
All I have heard for 2 weeks was about the genius of Andy Reid. all of the schemes and preparation... It sure seems he was outcoached significantly last night. in fact, other than last year, it seems he has had a disappointing postseason career. I remember his SB against the Patriots and the terrible clock management at the end. It seems there were no adjustments made at all during last nights game.
Have all the talking heads been to hyperbolic when referring to Coach Reid?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
0
Comments
I never considered Reid to be anything other than a marginal coach. I mean the guy gets Mahomes and everyone is talking about how good Reid is? Fake news lol
that is my take too. Had Mahomes not delivered that big comeback last year, I don't think everyone would be doting on Reid like they are now. Just really strange how perceptions have changed about him.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
It happens when you got an offense anchored by a guy like Mahomes like KC and you go on rampages enroute to three AFC championships and a Super Bowl two years in a row.
took a second look at his record. 22 years coaching. Missed playoffs 6 times. one and done 5 times.
for half of his coaching career, he either missed out or was one and done. I believe he is 3-3 in NFC/AFC championship games.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I have a feeling that Reid and the chiefs might have more SBs up their sleeves.
Reid is an offensive coach comparable to Belichick as a defensive coach. The knock on him has been game management. That was on full display at the end if the first half last night.
In defense of Reid, he has taken teams with QBs far less talented than Mahomes and won with them.
But again, game management last night was poor and his team did not look ready to play.
Andy Reid is a HOF coach and it's not even remotely debatable.
That being said, is Reid in the top tier of other great coaches, even though he is high up on the all time win list? Of course not, and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know chit about football.
Would anyone have Reid near the top
of their list to manage a close game with time being a factor? Im thinking the list is pretty short 🧐
how elite can a Head Coach be if something as simple as clock management is an issue. Seems as though his strength is in being a high level offensive coordinator, not necessarily a HC
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Those time out calls by the Chiefs when the Bucs had the ball with seconds left before halftime? What were they thinking? That little sequence was.....GAME!
Overweight for sure.
m
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
Buddy Ryan had a similar problem for those who remember him on the Eagles.
Great evaluator of talent, especially in the draft, with the ability to put together a pretty darn good football team, but lacked the greatness of say a Lombardi and others on game day.
Reid is an excellent coach. But even excellent coaches can't overcome 80% of their starting OL being out. And there's a decent chance that the mess with his son had a negative effect as well.
excellent coaches don't help the other team with those time outs before the half.
I can't decide if it was stupid or smug . The chiefs have been sniffing their own farts all year it appears
I'm almost positive Reid did the same thing in the AFC championship against the Pats and Brady
two years ago. Am I correct on that I know you were watching?
If I recall the Pats were content to run the clock out, then Reid called timeout and the Pats made
some big plays or the Chiefs had some big penalties and they ended up scoring.
Just like the Bucs ended up scoring, only this one might be more ridiculous because it was 3rd and 2.
At least Reid should learn from his mistakes.
Yes the Walrus mismanaged the clock big time in that game, it didn’t actually outright lose the game but it didn’t help the Chiefs chances lol
Was his head caught in a kfc bucket ?
I was listening to SB nations chiefs podcast and the hosts were less than glowing about Reids job as coach.
I never thought of him as a top tier head coach, so it has been really surprising the last couple of seasons now that all the network talking heads have been slobbering all over him. It is amazing how having a great QB and some weapons on offense suddenly make one a HOF level coach!
I remember back in the early 2000's when he took the Eagles to 3 straight NFCCG's and lost 2 and lost in the SB, people were not speaking so glowingly then.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Reid is an excellent coach. But even excellent coaches can't overcome 80% of their starting OL being out. And there's a decent chance that the mess with his son had a negative effect as well.
this train needs to jump the tracks already. maybe you missed the story of Baker Mayfield meeting one of his starting lineman in the locker room the day of that WC game?? maybe you missed the merry-go-round of lineman as others were hurt. blaming the loss on the OL is pathetic. Super Bowl Teams overcome stuff like that, they don't use it as an excuse for a loss in the biggest game of the season.
I watched some interviews and read some stories, look at this difference:
--- Tom Brady called Mathieu and apologized for the "trash talk" during the game.
--- Patrick Mahomes placed blame on the OL not blocking, the receivers running the wrong routes and the Defense.
c'mon, man. step up and just admit you were overmatched and played like crap.
and another thing, I'm worn out with hearing complaints about the penalty calls that went against the Chiefs. you know what, if the Officials had called that blatant spearing at the endzone corner that cost Cleveland a TD, the Chiefs may have been watching this game from their homes.
it's time for everyone to admit what I have had to swallow hard and admit to myself(remember, I picked KC 24-17 and have resisted the Brady GOAT Parade). Tampa Bay throttled KC, denied them the endzone. they rendered Kelce, Hill and Mahomes almost totally ineffective. they ran over, around and through the KC OL and manhandled the usually elusive Mahomes --- he looked scared and most of his throws were desperation or off his back foot. Andy Reid was out-coached and Bienemy showed why nobody has reached out to himas a Head Coach, nothing to do with his troubled past legal problems.
this was an embarrassing, total loss for the Chiefs who have some work ahead of them.
Before the SB, there was of course plenty written about Reid. His list of accolades is impressive, especially when you look at all of the different QBs he has had success with. And I do think, if he had won on Sunday or if he wins a second ring, he will be elevated in the eyes of media and history. @craig44 I believe you have talked of him in terms of maybe just being an offensive genius vs a head coach. And I think this is fair. His game mismanagement is sort of legendary. And it was on full display on Sunday with the timeouts before the half. Is his focus too much on the offense? If you are frequently sitting and talking offense while the defense is playing, are you too one dimensional to be considered among the bests? Like I said, one more ring and he will be there in the eyes of most. I am sure others here know him much better than I do.
@keets Watching Mahomes post game press conference, I do think he he admitted they were out played and didn't play well. He does mention OL,, receivers, etc while also mentioning himself. He says several times they weren't all on the same page. I don't have a problem with that. If I was a Chiefs fan, that tells me that he is admitting that there were disconnects, and also that those disconnects extend beyond himself and his teammates to the coaches and plan put in place. His post game press conference was top notch in my opinion. If there are other instances of what you are talking about then that is something different.
The main thing on bienemy's resume seems to be pat mahomes
You dont get him if you hire the guy though
You beat me to it.
It’s hilarious that the kid gets so many comments about it being crazy he hasn’t gotten a HC offer yet, I mean who was he before Mahomes? He played RB for a minute I think?
in Reid's defense, i try to put myself in his shoes and determine how i would proceed with coaching an NFL team in the Super Bowl if my son imbibed alcohol days before the game and plowed into a car that left two children injured........one with life-threatening injuries
unless you're devoid of a pulse, i just don't see any way that could not have an impact in some form or fashion
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
The bottom line is the Chiefs played like crap, and contrary to what keets says Mahomes has taken some
blame for the way he played. They were beaten in every phase of the game.
The way the posters here go on and on about how bad they were makes me wonder about their agenda.
Jealous of the Chiefs success I guess.
No other team has been to the Super Bowl the last two years and no other team has been to
the AFC championship game the last 3 years in a row.
And next year when the Chiefs again go to the Super Bowl because their isn't anyone in the AFC
good enough to beat them that will make 3 Super Bowl's in a row.
TheShow- great post and completely accurate.
I think Andy Reid and his lack of clock management skills go back way before the tragic incident involving his son.
They had a bad Super Bowl. It all boils down to that nothing more nothing less. Personally I can relate more than you can, you can’t show me one Super Bowl where the Patriots ever dominated start to finish. The Chiefs will be back, that’s been my take on it even though I been celebrating for Brady, outside of him getting #7 I got no agenda at all, I think Mahomes is a great kid with a bright future.
Well put. We watched a lot of Super Bowls and they all played out differently. So it is a large sample size. And we can go back and look at the mitigating factors, etc surrounding each one. Also that is from more of a macro view.
no one will fault mahomes for the loss . The way he was running around reminded me of Cam Newton the year denver won it
just a general statement about his state of mind leading up to -- and during -- the game; i wasn't addressing any lapses as it pertained to clock management. Reid could've gone 60 minutes without a misstep and the Bucs still would've handed the Chiefs their asses
but, when faced with the prospect of your troubled offspring spending significant time behind bars for severely injuring a couple of children and possibly killing one of them, i just don't see how anyone could successfully compartmentalize
and honestly, the Chiefs came out of the gates playing like an extension of their coach -- distracted, unfocused, unprepared, and completely undisciplined. they did not look ready to play. instead of executing to a tee and firing on all cylinders as they are accustomed to doing, they in essence spent the first half digging their own grave. then Brady & Co. tossed them into the hole and covered them with dirt.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
after a whole season of fart sniffing they were overcome by it
They didn't use it as an excuse. I did. Well, explanation. You go up against a high quality defense with basically none of your offensive line, no, you can't just scheme around that. You can overcome one guy (a guard) being out - like Baker Mayfield did - but FOUR? Nah.
it is interesting that during the pregame build up that about 75% of analysts picked the Chiefs to win the game. Vegas did as well. It didn't seem as though the OL was worrying all of those people all that much.
Seems as though it is being used as an excuse after the fact when few were mentioning it before.
just an observation
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I noticed that too. Id like to add to that. It's almost as if the majority of experts and analysts weren't predicting the outcome based on real football knowledge, but rather just looking at the narratives surrounding the two teams. If this had been a week 17 game, many of them would have probably picked the Bucs.
The Chiefs OL was lousy. So was the rest of the team.
But who is using it as an excuse? We got blown out.
Chiefs fans knew it was a huge blow
when we lost Eric Fisher in the AFC championship game.
But it seems we've moved on and are ready for next year.
Why do you focus on how bad the Chiefs played and don't mention how great Tampa played?
I guess if you would like you could email the Chiefs and ask for an official apology for how bad they played.
Otherwise I don't really know what the point of your posts like this one are.
I don't think the Online is being given as an excuse by the Chiefs.
I do think it is relevant to point out that many in the media didn't even think it would be much of an issue.
I'd like to point out that I have read through a bunch of online comments by Chiefs fans. After the shock wore off, they have really taken it in stride and are looking at things as glass half full.
I don't watch the hype before the game, but if I would have known Remmers was the starting left tackle, I would have had some big worries about pass protection.
If you have listened to much nationwide coverage, the vast majority of talking heads are putting the bad OL out as an excuse for the chiefs losing. whereas before the game was played, 75% of the same people didn't say peep about the OL and were going on and on and on about how the chiefs were going to win.
the point of the post was that it is clear the media had an agenda for this game and it was for mahomes and the chiefs to win and start the dynasty and to anoint mahomes the goat.
if you listen to the broadcast again, you can practically hear the drool from tony romo hit the microphone as he is talking about mahomes.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
if reid doesn't fire his kid the team should fire him
paid leave for running people over is a little ridiculous
He's gone.