BBCE Authenticating Boxes - How does it work?

nendee

I sent in a 1979 Cello Baseball Box for Authentication last week. The box was originally purchased from BBCE, but I removed the wrapper and took a cursory look at the cello packs a LONG time ago. I kept them all in the same order, nothing removed, etc. Is that fair game for an authentication and BBCE wrap?

What if someone put together a box from randomly purchased packs and placed them into a purchased empty wax box? Is that something that could pass an authentication and get a BBCE wrap? I assume each pack is verified - then the box verified, but that doesn't seem quite good form.

Anyone have some insight into this?

totallyradd

Correct me if I am wrong here, but yes, you can assemble a box with packs from random boxes. As long as all the packs are verified to be authentic, the box will be authentic. That's why BBCE has From A Sealed Case verification vs just the box itself.

Webb63

Unless BBCE wraps a box FASC (from a sealed case) there is no guarantee the box contains the original packs. BBCE is authenticating the packs and certifying they have not been tampered with, however, they are not certifying that it's all the original contents. This is the main reason there is such a high premium for FASC...and that premium will probably continue to increase.

billwaltonsbeard

I have another question about BBCE services......do they verify if any packs are damaged? I know they obviously check for re-sealing, but what if the box has been handled roughly, dropped, etc and some packs show obvious damage........would BBCE authenticate and wrap it?

nendee

But, I'd assume from a value perspective:

Raw, Unwrapped Box < Non-FASC Box < FASC Box

TheCardShap

Why wouldn’t you just contact Steve directly and ask him? He’s one of the most accessible people in the hobby but you are asking people here? 🤔

nendee

@TheCardShap said:
Why wouldn’t you just contact Steve directly and ask him? He’s one of the most accessible people in the hobby but you are asking people here? 🤔

Oh I will. I have a box at BBCE now, was looking for some outside thoughts. Specifically on value vs wrap type. Love Steve, I’ll def ask him shortly.

billwaltonsbeard

@billwaltonsbeard said:
I have another question about BBCE services......do they verify if any packs are damaged? I know they obviously check for re-sealing, but what if the box has been handled roughly, dropped, etc and some packs show obvious damage........would BBCE authenticate and wrap it?

Does anyone have any info on this?? I'm asking because I've seen some crunched-looking boxes wrapped by BBCE.

grote15

Steve will not wrap a box unless the packs are in at least NM-MT condition overall. In some cases, he will wrap a box in which packs have price stickers but will typically note that on the label.