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Kennedy weights up

keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
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Anyone like what they see so far?
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I see they're weighting the late date silvers at 2, the same as the Accented Hair. To me, that doesn't make sense, particularly for dates like the 2000, which is as common as house flies in 69DCAM. But, I guess that is offset by the CAM and DCAM bonus? I also think that the 71 should get a stronger DCAM bonus then the others.

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Let me go check it out!

    Did it change the order of any of the top sets?

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow. The 1967 gets two points but the tougher 1965 and even the 1966 only get one?
    Also, the 70-D gets 3 points but the much tougher 76-P clad gets only one!?

    What do you think Keith?

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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Not only that, but they eliminated the 98-S in the standard set. image
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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Keith,

    I can speak only to the proof weighting, but IMHO the accented hair is a potential 4 point coin, and I fully agree with that weight. I can't however believe the 81 type II is not a 2 point potential. I believe it is much more difficult than the 77 (it's 3 points in dcam and should be 1-1-1). I do like what they did with the 92 and newer silver coins at 2 points each with no cam-dcam weighting, and lastly the 65 and 66 coins should be 4 pointers in dcam too (maybe +3 for dcam).
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've got a playset ("The Magic Bullet") Registry and was surprised to see it leap to the #20 spot (hey, it's front page, baby!). Now I know why- no 98-S SMS. I think that would tick me off if I saw that was dropped and I owned it in 70. That's a big point boost for the set when it is in it.

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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Yeah, but I don't mind the variety set here. The only two varieties are the 74-D DDO and the 98-S.
    Keith ™

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Is the CAM and DCAM cumulative? In other words, does a weight of 2, plus a CAM of 1, plus DCAM of two = 4? Now that I understand that, feel free to ignore my comment about the AH compared to the new silvers.image

    And, I agree with Don on the difficulty of the 1981 Type2. That coin comes up very infrequently, and when it does it brings very strong money.

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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    MS suggestions:

    1965 -- 1 to 2
    1966 -- 1 to 3
    1971-D -- 2 to 1
    1972 -- 1 to 2
    1972-D -- 2 to 1
    1974 -- 1 to 2
    1976 -- 1 to 2
    1976-D -- 1 to 2
    1984-D -- 1 to 2
    1990-D -- 1 to 2


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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with you Keith other than make that 76-P a strong 3. It's a stopper in upper grades.

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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    I think that the 71, 72, and 74-P's are all harder than the 76 P or D. The kicker is that the 76's are required for Type as well. I think that all three pieces would go well as a 3 too.

    Russ,

    The bonus is not cumulative. It's either +1 for CAM or +2 for DCAM, not +1 +2 = +3
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's just it. The 76-P is needed by other collectors who may not even be interested in the Kennedies as a series. When these in grades MS66 or MS67 come up for sale they are snapped up quickly.
    Jim Barlow had one on a price list last December and when I called him on it he told me he could have sold that one coin "thirty times over".
    That is not always the same case with the 72-P and 74-P (although they are extremely difficult too in their own right).

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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Agreed, the 76's are easier than the other early P challenges, but they are needed by more collectors. I know that the only Kennedy that I owned that cost me more than my 76-P was the 98-S SMS in MS-70. Nothing else came close.
    Keith ™

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Okay, now I'm beginning to grasp how it works.

    An Accented Hair in DCAM would be worth 4 points, while a 2000 silver is worth 2 points, correct? Thus, this would indicate that an AH in DCAM would be twice as difficult as the 2000 in DCAM. In fact, it is a magnitude more difficult to locate an AH in DCAM, then a late silver.

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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Russ,

    Do not disagree with that position. The Accented Hair, and many early dates, are a real bear in DC and high grade combos.
    Keith ™

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    I dropped them an eMail with my thoughts. I'm sure they'll jump right on it.image

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  • MonstavetMonstavet Posts: 1,235 ✭✭
    As I stated in the thread regarding Jefferson proofs:

    What is the point of a variety set with only two coins in it?
    In the case of Jeffersons, the variety set has only one coin in it!

    If the 98SMS piece is a "variety" then the Accent Hair, and Type IIs should also be there.

    And with the Jeffersons, eliminating the 71 no S from the regular set is a crime. Now that is something to get up in arms about! Not a plaque...
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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Russ,

    If they get a lot of constructive feedback, they generally pay attention.
    Keith ™

  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Russ and Keith - Sent E-Mail to D.Hall as to my thought on modifying the weighting on Proof Kennedy Half Dollars. I am pretty much in sync with the importance of the 1964 AH in DC -inc to 3 points, inc the bonus of the l965 1966 1967 to 2 points, increase the bonus of 1971 to 2 points and DC to 3 points, and finally 1981T-2 increase bonus to 3 points . Regards Bear
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bear- I missed you today!
    We could have used your collective wisdom.

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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Braddick - Sorry Im late, but you people seem to have everything under control , as usual. However, my thoughts have been sent to where the high lords of grading reside, better late then never. Perhaps My opinion might bear some weight this time. It would be a nice first for me. What wisdom I may have , I really gathered from the rest of the articulate people who frequent this Forum, especially you. Regards Bear
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  • HuliganRSHuliganRS Posts: 345 ✭
    Why is 98-S out???

    That's B.S.

    I want it in...

    where is the PCGS Complaint Department?

    Rusty.
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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,147 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rusty- The varieties set is the same as the regular set other than the additional of this 98-S SMS and the 74 D/D.
    But, I'm with you. It is an unnecessary set to have added.

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  • HuliganRSHuliganRS Posts: 345 ✭
    Braddick - I know but that forces me to purchase a 74-D DDO!

    What does that puppy run for ?

    and you are right -> For 2 coins it's not a variety set!!! What's the point?

    Rusty.
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  • HuliganRSHuliganRS Posts: 345 ✭
    This is what I think about the points:

    1965 -- 1 to 3
    1966 -- 1 to 3
    1967 -- 2 to 3
    1970-D -- 3 is good
    1972 -- 1 to 2
    1974 -- 1 to 2
    1976 -- 1 to 3 this coin is a tough one over 65
    1976-D -- 1 to 2
    1984-D -- 1 to 2
    1990-D -- 1 to 2
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