@emeraldATV said:
First, to my knowledge, ( former UPS employ person ) There are no fork lifts that are used in there process.
There are what are called tugs. Kinda looks like a cartoon locomotive, funny looking so to say.
Sometimes tractors are leased, yes real tractors. due to a surge in deliveries.
I thought the slabs are indestructible.
Like a Timex watch.
Are you familiar with the registered mail process? It is my understanding that these items are locked up and signed off for upon moving from location to location. And my friend advised me that if there is any sign of damage at any time, they are to be flagged.
I think your understanding is correct.
I can think of very few if any scenarios where that damage was "legitimate" (accidental) within the Registered Mail process.
The box was speared with something, and I now suspect that it might have been intentional by someone looking for something to steal. If that is the case they did not see what they were looking for.
And the PO should absolutely have flagged that damage before it ever got to you. When you mail a RM package that sort of breach would not be allowed.
If you wanted to you could alert the postal inspectors in case they found other similar irregularities ar a particular facility, but they probably have their hands full. Still, the whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
Talk about speculation! There are far easier and faster ways to look for something to steal and then do so.
Give it a rest. You're just interested in personal sniping. An odd tactic indeed especially since you display your employer's name in your signature line.
Who has that illustration of the guy beating a dead horse.
@emeraldATV said:
First, to my knowledge, ( former UPS employ person ) There are no fork lifts that are used in there process.
There are what are called tugs. Kinda looks like a cartoon locomotive, funny looking so to say.
Sometimes tractors are leased, yes real tractors. due to a surge in deliveries.
I thought the slabs are indestructible.
Like a Timex watch.
Are you familiar with the registered mail process? It is my understanding that these items are locked up and signed off for upon moving from location to location. And my friend advised me that if there is any sign of damage at any time, they are to be flagged.
I think your understanding is correct.
I can think of very few if any scenarios where that damage was "legitimate" (accidental) within the Registered Mail process.
The box was speared with something, and I now suspect that it might have been intentional by someone looking for something to steal. If that is the case they did not see what they were looking for.
And the PO should absolutely have flagged that damage before it ever got to you. When you mail a RM package that sort of breach would not be allowed.
If you wanted to you could alert the postal inspectors in case they found other similar irregularities ar a particular facility, but they probably have their hands full. Still, the whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
Talk about speculation! There are far easier and faster ways to look for something to steal and then do so.
Yep, everyone in this thread has been speculating. That’s the point unless someone can post some video of the actual act. As for me, I’m guessing a large animal stampede of some sort.
@emeraldATV said:
First, to my knowledge, ( former UPS employ person ) There are no fork lifts that are used in there process.
There are what are called tugs. Kinda looks like a cartoon locomotive, funny looking so to say.
Sometimes tractors are leased, yes real tractors. due to a surge in deliveries.
I thought the slabs are indestructible.
Like a Timex watch.
Are you familiar with the registered mail process? It is my understanding that these items are locked up and signed off for upon moving from location to location. And my friend advised me that if there is any sign of damage at any time, they are to be flagged.
I think your understanding is correct.
I can think of very few if any scenarios where that damage was "legitimate" (accidental) within the Registered Mail process.
The box was speared with something, and I now suspect that it might have been intentional by someone looking for something to steal. If that is the case they did not see what they were looking for.
And the PO should absolutely have flagged that damage before it ever got to you. When you mail a RM package that sort of breach would not be allowed.
If you wanted to you could alert the postal inspectors in case they found other similar irregularities ar a particular facility, but they probably have their hands full. Still, the whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
Talk about speculation! There are far easier and faster ways to look for something to steal and then do so.
Give it a rest. You're just interested in personal sniping. An odd tactic indeed especially since you display your employer's name in your signature line.
Who has that illustration of the guy beating a dead horse.
DNFTT, I guess.
Nothing at all personal. As far as I know, I don’t know you. Sometimes, like in this thread, if I disagree with someone, I make it known.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@emeraldATV said:
First, to my knowledge, ( former UPS employ person ) There are no fork lifts that are used in there process.
There are what are called tugs. Kinda looks like a cartoon locomotive, funny looking so to say.
Sometimes tractors are leased, yes real tractors. due to a surge in deliveries.
I thought the slabs are indestructible.
Like a Timex watch.
Are you familiar with the registered mail process? It is my understanding that these items are locked up and signed off for upon moving from location to location. And my friend advised me that if there is any sign of damage at any time, they are to be flagged.
I think your understanding is correct.
I can think of very few if any scenarios where that damage was "legitimate" (accidental) within the Registered Mail process.
The box was speared with something, and I now suspect that it might have been intentional by someone looking for something to steal. If that is the case they did not see what they were looking for.
And the PO should absolutely have flagged that damage before it ever got to you. When you mail a RM package that sort of breach would not be allowed.
If you wanted to you could alert the postal inspectors in case they found other similar irregularities ar a particular facility, but they probably have their hands full. Still, the whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
This is a real horror story.
The buyer (original poster) has stated that he is getting a refund.
That usually means that the coin is going back to the seller.
The seller gets the USPS insurance (if any).
@emeraldATV said:
First, to my knowledge, ( former UPS employ person ) There are no fork lifts that are used in there process.
There are what are called tugs. Kinda looks like a cartoon locomotive, funny looking so to say.
Sometimes tractors are leased, yes real tractors. due to a surge in deliveries.
I thought the slabs are indestructible.
Like a Timex watch.
The big postal plants use dump trucks and loading hoppers like grain silos. It is true that Registered isn't supposed to see any of that but stuff happens during crazy season.
@emeraldATV said:
First, to my knowledge, ( former UPS employ person ) There are no fork lifts that are used in there process.
There are what are called tugs. Kinda looks like a cartoon locomotive, funny looking so to say.
Sometimes tractors are leased, yes real tractors. due to a surge in deliveries.
I thought the slabs are indestructible.
Like a Timex watch.
Are you familiar with the registered mail process? It is my understanding that these items are locked up and signed off for upon moving from location to location. And my friend advised me that if there is any sign of damage at any time, they are to be flagged.
I think your understanding is correct.
I can think of very few if any scenarios where that damage was "legitimate" (accidental) within the Registered Mail process.
The box was speared with something, and I now suspect that it might have been intentional by someone looking for something to steal. If that is the case they did not see what they were looking for.
And the PO should absolutely have flagged that damage before it ever got to you. When you mail a RM package that sort of breach would not be allowed.
If you wanted to you could alert the postal inspectors in case they found other similar irregularities ar a particular facility, but they probably have their hands full. Still, the whole thing stinks to high Heaven.
Talk about speculation! There are far easier and faster ways to look for something to steal and then do so.
You don't peek in your Christmas presents with a jackhammer?
So a guy goes to the beach, which is open. He goes swimming since there is no warning sign about riptides or anything else. And a shark comes along and eats him. If he hadn’t gone swimming, he would not have been there for the shark to attack him.
Here where your logic fails you:
The 2019 worldwide total of 64 confirmed unprovoked shark attack cases were lower than the most recent five-year (2014-2018) average of 82 incidents annually. There were five fatal attacks this year, two of which were confirmed to be unprovoked.
...
Yearly Worldwide Shark Attack Summary.
Unprovoked Attacks 64
Not Confirmed 9
Total Cases 140
In 2019 only a single coin was bent and mangled by the USPS.
The box was speared with something, and I now suspect that it might have been intentional by someone looking for something to steal. If that is the case they did not see what they were looking for.
This does not make any sense. A spear would penitrate and leave a hole. The force required to bend the coin would require herculean strength, let alone demolish the contents.
The evidence relates to significant pressure. The lack of deformation to the box indicates a quick action.
The PO typically identifies items damaged during their processing. I've received remnants of a envelope inside a PO plastic bag they use to deliver damaged mail.
Maybe this is part of LaJoys inside attempts to ruin the PO??? He personally experiments with ways to ruin them. (No, I do not believe this, but is sounds better than someone in the PO spear fishing. )
I had pictures of a long delayed package that I got last fall. It had tire tracks on it. It was a raw coin. Fortunately for me it was well packaged and no coin damage
So a guy goes to the beach, which is open. He goes swimming since there is no warning sign about riptides or anything else. And a shark comes along and eats him. If he hadn’t gone swimming, he would not have been there for the shark to attack him.
Here where your logic fails you:
The 2019 worldwide total of 64 confirmed unprovoked shark attack cases were lower than the most recent five-year (2014-2018) average of 82 incidents annually. There were five fatal attacks this year, two of which were confirmed to be unprovoked.
...
Yearly Worldwide Shark Attack Summary.
Unprovoked Attacks 64
Not Confirmed 9
Total Cases 140
In 2019 only a single coin was bent and mangled by the USPS.
The box was speared with something, and I now suspect that it might have been intentional by someone looking for something to steal. If that is the case they did not see what they were looking for.
This does not make any sense. A spear would penitrate and leave a hole. The force required to bend the coin would require herculean strength, let alone demolish the contents.
I was using the term "spear" loosely. Something was jammed into the package. It wasn't crushed or bent, it was breached with something with focused force.
One reason I am suspicious is that the damage was not apparently not reported by the PO itself. If you tried to present that box to a clerk to send by RM they are supposed to refuse it since the package is not secure and has an opening. If that condition occurred during its time in their control (which it did) then I believe it was their responsibility to note it and alert someone.
Some folks get bit getting the shark mouth picture. However this coin got ruined it sucks for the owner everything else is analytic throat clearing
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@ChrisH821 said:
Must have been run over by a forklift or something. Maybe closed in a door accidentally, who knows.
Any other picture angles? How bad is the bend?
Thanks for your comment. I said bent in half when I should have said "bent down the middle". It is maybe a 10 to 15 degree bend. For a second I thought maybe the coin had a chance. Then upon further inspection I noticed it was bent. Must've been hundreds of pounds of force.
The holder is bent, the coin doesn't look like it in the photos.
Step 1: File insurance claim and collect.
Step 2: Send as is to PCGS as a regrade.
I am pretty certain you have to surrender the item when the claim is filed/paid.
I would suggest that he could try to buy it back when the PO auctions off the damaged goods it has paid on, but I doubt it would be possible to track it through to that point.
A friend of mine purchased an oil painting on eBay and it arrived with a hole punched through it. During shipping, something pierced right through the package and the painting, itself. After an employee at the local post office examined it, he received a full refund of the purchase price from USPS and was allowed to keep the painting.
If you were not sending it back for the refund, you could try what I did. I had a 1914 Barber half bend slightly that straightened with a bench top vice. Mine's a very large machinists vice with a huge surface area, but a common one would work if careful in pressing. Anyhow, heavy padding must be between the metal of the vice and coin on both sides. Remember, it will "move" so the heavier material the better. I used two pieces of rubber gasket material (1/16). Start with light pressure, watching the coin as it's squeezed between the jaws. When it looks straight, it is not. Remove and rotate 90 degrees and repeat the process. Now I would not say that under extreme magnification one could tell, but by human eye it is perfect again.
@ChrisH821 said:
Must have been run over by a forklift or something. Maybe closed in a door accidentally, who knows.
Any other picture angles? How bad is the bend?
Thanks for your comment. I said bent in half when I should have said "bent down the middle". It is maybe a 10 to 15 degree bend. For a second I thought maybe the coin had a chance. Then upon further inspection I noticed it was bent. Must've been hundreds of pounds of force.
The holder is bent, the coin doesn't look like it in the photos.
Step 1: File insurance claim and collect.
Step 2: Send as is to PCGS as a regrade.
I am pretty certain you have to surrender the item when the claim is filed/paid.
I would suggest that he could try to buy it back when the PO auctions off the damaged goods it has paid on, but I doubt it would be possible to track it through to that point.
A friend of mine purchased an oil painting on eBay and it arrived with a hole punched through it. During shipping, something pierced right through the package and the painting, itself. After an employee at the local post office examined it, he received a full refund of the purchase price from USPS and was allowed to keep the painting.
Wow! That's great. The few times I have heard of claims being necessary the item was forfeited but that was many years ago. Maybe it is up to each P.O. to decide how it is handled.
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Give it a rest. You're just interested in personal sniping. An odd tactic indeed especially since you display your employer's name in your signature line.
Who has that illustration of the guy beating a dead horse.
DNFTT, I guess.
Yep, everyone in this thread has been speculating. That’s the point unless someone can post some video of the actual act. As for me, I’m guessing a large animal stampede of some sort.
perhaps zebras instead of horses
Nothing at all personal. As far as I know, I don’t know you. Sometimes, like in this thread, if I disagree with someone, I make it known.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Great idea re postal inspectors
The coin doesn't look bent in the photos to me. Slab and box are certainly wrecked.
It would take substantially more than several hundred pounds of force to bend a silver half dollar.
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I'm astonished that this happened to a REGISTERED mail package. I guess I had the wrong notion when it comes to "special handling."
This is a real horror story.
The buyer (original poster) has stated that he is getting a refund.
That usually means that the coin is going back to the seller.
The seller gets the USPS insurance (if any).
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Fork lifts are used in the USPS.
The big postal plants use dump trucks and loading hoppers like grain silos. It is true that Registered isn't supposed to see any of that but stuff happens during crazy season.
You don't peek in your Christmas presents with a jackhammer?
It's not the pounds, it's the pounds per square inch.
Lots of input here. Interesting.
Here where your logic fails you:
The 2019 worldwide total of 64 confirmed unprovoked shark attack cases were lower than the most recent five-year (2014-2018) average of 82 incidents annually. There were five fatal attacks this year, two of which were confirmed to be unprovoked.
...
Yearly Worldwide Shark Attack Summary.
Unprovoked Attacks 64
Not Confirmed 9
Total Cases 140
In 2019 only a single coin was bent and mangled by the USPS.
Unprovoked? Who the heck is out there provoking sharks?
This does not make any sense. A spear would penitrate and leave a hole. The force required to bend the coin would require herculean strength, let alone demolish the contents.
The evidence relates to significant pressure. The lack of deformation to the box indicates a quick action.
The PO typically identifies items damaged during their processing. I've received remnants of a envelope inside a PO plastic bag they use to deliver damaged mail.
Maybe this is part of LaJoys inside attempts to ruin the PO??? He personally experiments with ways to ruin them. (No, I do not believe this, but is sounds better than someone in the PO spear fishing. )
I had pictures of a long delayed package that I got last fall. It had tire tracks on it. It was a raw coin. Fortunately for me it was well packaged and no coin damage
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I once saw an idiot provoking a bear with food to try and get a picture. We were cheering for the bear.
I was using the term "spear" loosely. Something was jammed into the package. It wasn't crushed or bent, it was breached with something with focused force.
One reason I am suspicious is that the damage was not apparently not reported by the PO itself. If you tried to present that box to a clerk to send by RM they are supposed to refuse it since the package is not secure and has an opening. If that condition occurred during its time in their control (which it did) then I believe it was their responsibility to note it and alert someone.
Someone at the USPS has very strong hands!
Some folks get bit getting the shark mouth picture. However this coin got ruined it sucks for the owner everything else is analytic throat clearing
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A friend of mine purchased an oil painting on eBay and it arrived with a hole punched through it. During shipping, something pierced right through the package and the painting, itself. After an employee at the local post office examined it, he received a full refund of the purchase price from USPS and was allowed to keep the painting.
If you were not sending it back for the refund, you could try what I did. I had a 1914 Barber half bend slightly that straightened with a bench top vice. Mine's a very large machinists vice with a huge surface area, but a common one would work if careful in pressing. Anyhow, heavy padding must be between the metal of the vice and coin on both sides. Remember, it will "move" so the heavier material the better. I used two pieces of rubber gasket material (1/16). Start with light pressure, watching the coin as it's squeezed between the jaws. When it looks straight, it is not. Remove and rotate 90 degrees and repeat the process. Now I would not say that under extreme magnification one could tell, but by human eye it is perfect again.
Wow! That's great. The few times I have heard of claims being necessary the item was forfeited but that was many years ago. Maybe it is up to each P.O. to decide how it is handled.
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