How Does PSA Grade "recovered" Panini Stickers?

scottfishvan

There are several desirable Panini stickers from the 1970s and 1980s that often show up as "Recovered" - AKA - they were removed from an album. And thus, they either have paper loss (or added paper from sticking!) or residue from adhesive.

How does PSA treat these - is there a Paper Loss notation or a maximum grade that they could receive?

Two examples below:

blurryface

psa 1 at best if i recall.

blurryface

but it looks like yours mainly has the album paper pulled off and not much paper loss from the card itself.

can of worms here and hate opening it, but it could be soaked to remove the album paper and residue. it's a very fine line and touchy subject. pretty widely accepted in the prewar community if only distilled water is used. ie no cleaning agents.

i, myself, tend to be lax on anything abroad from the 50's to 70's since it was common practice that the cards were supposed to be affixed to the manufactured albums similar to many of the tobacco cards. plus i enjoy actually seeing a presentable back.

with that being said, i would be more than ok with a flip subcategory stating "soaked", similar to how a trimmed or bleached card is labeled as "altered".

scottfishvan

Thanks @blurryface That is really insightful information. I figured there may be a process to remove residue. I actually collect old maps from the 1700s-1800s so I am familiar with paper clean up processes but this was a new one for me.

If you know of any good "soaking" resources/videos, I'd be interested to see them.

blurryface

@scottfishvan said:
Thanks @blurryface That is really insightful information. I figured there may be a process to remove residue. I actually collect old maps from the 1700s-1800s so I am familiar with paper clean up processes but this was a new one for me.

If you know of any good "soaking" resources/videos, I'd be interested to see them.

i do not. i've only researched it and have only done 2 golf cards for my personal collection. didn't even grade them. i doubt they ever will be for sale, but should they ever become or if i pass, there's a note on the cardsaver stating "soaked".

but google "soaked and n54" and there's plenty of threads on the process. every "cleaning service" i found also offers other services that i severely disagree with and would not be comfortable supporting them in any manner.

firstbase23

I have seen a card with paper loss get a 2 but that is the highest I have seen.

Matt

swish54

Venezuelan issued cards usually have that kind of paper loss/residue from being put into albums. I've got a couple and they are 1's with no designations.

daltex

@firstbase23 said:
I have seen a card with paper loss get a 2 but that is the highest I have seen.

Matt

What does a 2 look like? It must be incredible!

DBesse27

@swish54 said:
Venezuelan issued cards usually have that kind of paper loss/residue from being put into albums. I've got a couple and they are 1's with no designations.

Agreed.