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I love some PCI type toning on SAEs

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not that much.

  • chesterbchesterb Posts: 961 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh wow!

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 33,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 1, 2020 10:49PM

    @coinsarefun said:
    I was going to post this. This one brought $9,100 including juice!
    Guide value is $2,850. Added.......I’ve never seen a toned 1995-W

    This is the trueview.....super nice looking too.

    Agree it's a very nice looking coin.

    The GC photos show slightly more imperfections, but still very minor.

  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not for me.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    +1 hydrant

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Three that I still own.....


  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 43,832 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2020 12:24PM

    Well don't use the acronym in an eBay listing. I had to re-list a coin in a PCI holder with "banned TPG holder" in the title , to sell one. I can't imagine,if it were toned.... and an eagle.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,954 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 3, 2020 5:07PM

    I like it A LOT and can appreciate the rarity and beauty BUT my 'old school' thinking won't permit me to pay up for a coin that was originally meant as bullion. I also question it's long-term stability.

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:
    I like it A LOT and can appreciate the rarity and beauty BUT my 'old school' thinking won't permit me to pay up for a coin that was originally meant as bullion. I also question it's long-term stability.

    I have, as I think you know, more than a few toned SAEs.
    I have one still in the PCI holder....it has remained stable in the SDB.
    I have one that was PCI and now in PCGS....it has remained stable as well.

    The ones that toned in open air in my house, once housed in PCGS and stored away, have remained stable.

    Very reactive to air, etc, on the bullion itself, but the holder (at least the PCGS holders) do retard any further toning process to the point, on mine at least, it is neglible.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,954 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Bochiman said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    I like it A LOT and can appreciate the rarity and beauty BUT my 'old school' thinking won't permit me to pay up for a coin that was originally meant as bullion. I also question it's long-term stability.

    I have, as I think you know, more than a few toned SAEs.
    I have one still in the PCI holder....it has remained stable in the SDB.
    I have one that was PCI and now in PCGS....it has remained stable as well.

    The ones that toned in open air in my house, once housed in PCGS and stored away, have remained stable.

    Very reactive to air, etc, on the bullion itself, but the holder (at least the PCGS holders) do retard any further toning process to the point, on mine at least, it is neglible.

    That's good info to know. I only own 3 SAEs and, so far, they have remained stable and I expect that they will continue to do so, since I store them properly and they are housed in NGC slabs (PCGS are, of course, very good, also!). Thanks for sharing your experiences. I appreciate that.

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I sold this one recently on eBay, did have a sticker over the MS70 grade and PCI in the title. To think they will stay stable in the PCI slabs is probably incorrect as they are slowly turning.

  • bolivarshagnastybolivarshagnasty Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @Bochiman said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    I like it A LOT and can appreciate the rarity and beauty BUT my 'old school' thinking won't permit me to pay up for a coin that was originally meant as bullion. I also question it's long-term stability.

    I have, as I think you know, more than a few toned SAEs.
    I have one still in the PCI holder....it has remained stable in the SDB.
    I have one that was PCI and now in PCGS....it has remained stable as well.

    The ones that toned in open air in my house, once housed in PCGS and stored away, have remained stable.

    Very reactive to air, etc, on the bullion itself, but the holder (at least the PCGS holders) do retard any further toning process to the point, on mine at least, it is neglible.

    That's good info to know. I only own 3 SAEs and, so far, they have remained stable and I expect that they will continue to do so, since I store them properly and they are housed in NGC slabs (PCGS are, of course, very good, also!). Thanks for sharing your experiences. I appreciate that.

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    • My experience has been that some can continue to turn in the PCGS holder. I can't give you a percentage of those that will continue to turn, but it does happen to some. Having crossed 20 or more PCI holdered coins to PCGS, I have seen at least 6 of those continue to turn. It is something you have to watch for. The three above that I posted have remained stable for several years. Below is an example of one that turned while in my possession.


      IMO, this one turned to an even more pleasing color as green is a rarer color on toners.
      I have a proof ASE with the typical orange ring that is currently developing a black tone at the rim near the date and on the reverse as well.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,291 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, of course they 'can' still tone in practically any holder. They are just less likely to as PCGS, and likely NGC holders, particularly the newer ones, do significantly retard the toning process....it does come down to storage environment being a large factor of it though.

    Again, they are HIGHLY reactive bullion pieces BUT still need to have the outside influences to tone.

    I can take, in my own home, 2 pieces, side by side, one in PCGS plastic (I don't have NGC) and one raw....place on my coin/display shelf, with nothing else (save holders) to affect them (other than normal breathing air and normal house temp):

    Within 6 months, you will not see any change in the PCGS one but WILL see toning started on the raw one.
    In 1 year, the PCGS will be the same and the raw will have significantly and noticeably toned
    Continue as time goes on.....

    I say this, because I have seen it personally in my home...on the display shelf.
    Others' results can, may, and will vary depending on their home environments (where they live, etc).

    As to the PCI holders allowing the coins to continually tone and not 'top out' at any point....yes....I believe that strongly....though, one I have that I bought ~5-6 years ago, and stored in a cool, dark, dry place has NOT continued to tone at all.....again, environment.

    I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment

  • commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,078 ✭✭✭

    Neat coin. I like the value of that coin at $9000 as opposed to a PR70 at $14,000. Basically all other 1995-W Proofs look the same being blast white, even in a PR69 or PR70 holder. Easily the most eye appealing 1995-W out there.

    -Paul

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