@CaptHenway said:
Never heard of it. Don’t see any reason to question its random error status. If it had been smuggled out, then no (BLEEPING) idiot would ever have done that test cut!!!!
Being a very late die state bolsters the possibility of it being a random (true accidental) error.
@CaptHenway said:
If it had been smuggled out, then no (BLEEPING) idiot would ever have done that test cut!!!!
This logic was also used in the auction listing: “But if it was a piece de caprice, or a pattern, it would likely be in undamaged Mint State...”
This is a fallacy. To a degree this logic appears correct, but 107 years is a long time and it is plenty of time for the origins and its story to be forgotten. Even if it was a pattern or a smuggled out piece, does not preclude it from getting a test cut. Many pattern coins have acquired intentional, made-made damage. As another example, gold medals tend to have the same fate. At the time of their issuance, their gold content is well known and the original owners held these medals in high regard. But over time, the metal content is lost to new owners as it is passed down or sold, and many gold medals end up with test cuts or acid marks.
Just because the piece is intentionally made, and the metal content known to the original owner (as if it was smuggled out of the Mint), does not mean that it would not acquire a test cut later on.
it is sort of like the gold Indian cents. That said it is what it is, clearly bogus in origin but that doesn't really matter at this point as it is clearly mint made
I don't know anything about the backstory to this coin.
Apparently, it's been in the eastern half of the country
for past century or so.
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A major Off Metal/Wrong
Planchet error that no one knew existed before ................
That's what I thought, Fred.
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@FredWeinberg without saying anything about who has it now, do you have any of the backstory of where it's been for the last 100 years?
Being a very late die state bolsters the possibility of it being a random (true accidental) error.
This logic was also used in the auction listing: “But if it was a piece de caprice, or a pattern, it would likely be in undamaged Mint State...”
This is a fallacy. To a degree this logic appears correct, but 107 years is a long time and it is plenty of time for the origins and its story to be forgotten. Even if it was a pattern or a smuggled out piece, does not preclude it from getting a test cut. Many pattern coins have acquired intentional, made-made damage. As another example, gold medals tend to have the same fate. At the time of their issuance, their gold content is well known and the original owners held these medals in high regard. But over time, the metal content is lost to new owners as it is passed down or sold, and many gold medals end up with test cuts or acid marks.
Just because the piece is intentionally made, and the metal content known to the original owner (as if it was smuggled out of the Mint), does not mean that it would not acquire a test cut later on.
What is the current record-holder for Most Valuable Mint Error? Is this one a contender?
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i'm pretty sure it isn't on this list but there are some nice ones for just one little corner of the error world.
it is sort of like the gold Indian cents. That said it is what it is, clearly bogus in origin but that doesn't really matter at this point as it is clearly mint made
11.5$ Southern Dollars, The little “Big Easy” set
I don't know anything about the backstory to this coin.
Apparently, it's been in the eastern half of the country
for past century or so.
And there it goes... well above my budget. $78,000
Calling dibs on the time machine so we can go back & figure out what happened when this was made.
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