Who is Ally? What a registry set of Indian Head Cents!
toothpuller
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"Ally" just listed his[or her] Indian Head circ. cent set on the Registry. What a monster! Immediately the current finest and almost reaching the Alan Epstein all-time finest. Key dates 1870, 1871, and 1872 are all in 66 Red. Pop 2/0 types. The 1860 is a 67. Wonder if this is a collector set or another dealer set put together to auction off the parts.
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This is a set of Indians assembled over the last several years named for my granddaughter (Alison). I was able to put the finishing touches on the set in the last week. The 1870 was from the Angel Dee set that was just auctioned off. The set will be kept intact and upgraded when something special comes along. it will not be auctioned off in the near future but will be part of a larger set of small cents. Thanks for the kind remarks about the set.
Joshua
You are some collector indeed. I have admired from afar your great set of Walkers. My understanding is that you are auctioning them off. Have you gotten tired of Walkers, or just raising funds for your Indians?
Greg
That is an accomplishment and a half.I just hope you aren't interested in Proof Lincolns(1936-1958).
Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
Congrats again on the set. If you are not aware of it, the only 1906 MS67 RD from the David Hall Collection is being auctioned by Heritage at the ANA in N.Y. Would be a nice upgrade from your 65.
I just started a 65RD set, but have no hope of matching your achievement.
Toothpuller
Rich
I challenge JOSHUA to an exhibit of my indian cent collection vs. "the Ally collection of Indian cents " at the New York ANA at the Fly In Club or wherever.
Stewart Blay
Here is essentially a suggestion (or claim) by SB that some of the coins in this top Indian set are "plastic" and not coins. These coins are worth thousands, even tens of thousands of dollar per coin. YET, WE WILL SEE NONE OF THE SLOGANS "BUY THE COIN NOT THE HOLDER" FROM OUR REGULAR MODERN BASHERS SUCH AS MICHAEL, OR DBLDIE55 OR A HOST OF OTHERS. They will not touch this thread or SB's challenge, because they only like to throw these slogans around when it pertains to moderns and clad particularly. Yet, if SB if correct (and I am not saying he is), the clad plastic that the bashers constantly attack pales in comparision to the "beating" someone would take with "classic plastic".
Is "classic bashing" of plastic buying essentially a taboo on these boards? Is there some "secret handshake" here to only attack "clad plastic". Does any else see my point here? In the meantime, I will wait for the 'BUY THE COIN NOT THE PLASTIC" threads that will not appear, as here the "challenge" is to a classic coin set
Indian cents and Buffalo Nickels are not.
Plastic is plastic and coins are coins. Tough concept, apparently, for some.
peacockcoins
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peacockcoins
Perhaps it would have been a little more classy to denigrate someone's set in private, rather than such a public forum?
I believe buying the coin and not the holder applies to classic coins also - it's just that you so rarely see a classic coin that commands a 6000% premium for the next grade up!
Though sending in one's coins to PCGS [or even NCG] is not mandatory, it will greatly increase their resale value and marketability. Perhaps the fear of being body bagged for questionable color etc. may make one hesitant to do so. It is very difficult today to get these coins in high grade PCGS holders.
Greg
Agree with you. Sounds like a friendly challenge to me, even if worded harshly.
Stewart Blay please explain your statement in this thread. The Ally Collection be it in plastic or not (who cares) is a great accomplishment. It is a set that any collector should truly be proud of. Where do you get off jumping in here and trying to degrade her set, dedication and accomplishment? I thought the true spirit of collectors was being among others who share a common interest. People who support each other and share in each others joy and accomplishments.
What is this registry doing to us?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Merz2: proof Lincolns are next (only kidding they aren't in my future)
Toothpuller: (I love that handle) I heard about the 1906 but after the prices from Long Beach who knows what they will bring. I will let you know if I upgrade to any 66's so you can have first crack at the 65's.
Irish Mike: If that is a Notre Dame logo I can't speak to you (I went to Duke and I'm still made at ND).
As to Mr Blay's comments - I would never comment about anyone's set. As far as I'm concerned everyone's set is special to them whether it is a set in Good or MS. I admire anyone who can put a set together and it is far harder putting a set together on a limited budget than what I have accomplished.
Joshua
<< <i>As to Mr Blay's comments - I would never comment about anyone's set. As far as I'm concerned everyone's set is special to them whether it is a set in Good or MS. I admire anyone who can put a set together and it is far harder putting a set together on a limited budget than what I have accomplished. >>
Well spoken Joshua.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
I am neither jealous nor brain dead. Nor am I trying to denigrate someone's set in a public forum. I am trying to bring the "set registry " public.
As collectors we should be aware that a higher numerical # on the plastic does not necessarily mean the coin is more attractive than a coin with a lower numerical #. And with copper, there are many other factors.
I am initiating a friendly challenge. I have never seen the " Ally " collection of mint state Indian Cents nor has Joshua seen my collection of Indian Cents. My set is not registered.
Since I have discovered that the set registry is a wonderful vehicle for marketing and promoting ones collection, I am challenging Joshua, aka Ally to a Mint state Indian Cent collection showdown.
Is it wrong to initiate a challenge? I am inviting ALL BOARD MEMBERS, COIN COLLECTORS, GRADERS AT PCGS AND COIN DEALERS to the site if JOSHUA accepts
P.S. If you have varieties,bring them too
Stewart Blay
You mean this applies to PCGS graded coins also?
GO TERPS!!!
I am just trying to figure out your motives.
You say you collect REAL coins not plastic.
So are we to understand in your opinion there are no REAL coins that reside in third party graded slabs? Or is it just your opinion all slabed coins are over graded and ugly and no true quality set could be assembled in plastic? That everyone who buys slabed coins is only concerned with the grade assigned and not the quality of the coin? That all the top quality coins are raw and reside with true collectors who collect REAL coins and would never degrade themselves or their coins by having them encased in plastic?
You say you have discovered that the set registry is a wonderful vehicle for marketing and promoting ones collection.
If you believe that then why do you not slab your set and include it in the registry? Or is it that you feel the set registry is a wonderful vehicle for marketing and promoting your raw collection by challenging a great set in the registry in an attempt to prove the registry and the third party grading system is a big joke?
You say you are trying to bring the "set registry " public.
And your method of choice is to compare a top registry set to your raw set? What is the purpose of that? So you can thumb your nose at slabs and again try to prove 3rd party grading and the registry is a big joke?
We are all aware that a higher numerical # on the plastic does not necessarily mean the coin is more attractive than a coin with a lower numerical #. We as collectors see examples of that every day. You are not telling us anything we don't already know.
We are all aware there are a lot of collections of raw and slabed coins that are not in the registry that are far better than most of the top 5 sets registered. The registry ranks the collections as all time finest REGISTERED sets in PCGS SLABS. The registry is a place for collectors to get together and have a little fun and compare their sets. We do not profess our sets are better than anyone else’s beyond the confines of the registry.
So I still do not understand your motives behind your FRIENDLY challenge. Everything you say seems inconsistant and appears you may have an axe to grind. And yes depending on your motives it may be wrong to initiate a FRIENDLY challenge.
Joshua has nothing to prove to you or any of us. That is a great set by anyone’s standards and should not be subjected to this type of BS.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
If he does want to do this wonderful "show", why does he hide what is in his Lincoln Cent collections? (just curious)
Joshua has a great set and nothing to gain by agreeing to this win or lose.
And I do not understand what Stewart Blay thinks he has to gain by doing this. What is the point?
If they were both registered sets and they wanted to display them together great. But to challange a slabed registered set with a raw unregistered set what is the objective of it?
If Joshua was to WIN what would that prove? everyone already knows it is a top quality set.
If Stewart Blay was to WIN what would that prove? All I can see it accomplishing other that him being able to thumb his nose would to openly hurt the integrity of the registry in the eyes of the public. A public that may not understand what the registry really is.
If he wants to compete with Joshua let him do it within the registry. If he does not want to slab and register his set so be it but don't risk the integrity of the registry over personel ego.
Like I said we are all aware there are a lot of collections of raw and slabed coins that are not in the registry that are far better than most of all the top 5 sets registered. The registry ranks the collections as all time finest REGISTERED sets in PCGS SLABS.
If he really wants to bring the "set registry " to the publics attention there are much better ways to do it with a lot less risk of hurting it in the end.
What kind of attention would the registry get if by chance his raw unregistered set beat the #1 set?
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
<< <i>What kind of attention would the registry get if by chance his raw unregistered set beat the #1 set? >>
I suppose for this reason, PCGS would not sponser it. I think it would show some of the realities of the registry though. (that many seem to be blind to)
I want to have FUN ! ALL my mint state Indian Cents are slabbed by PCGS.
Rather than say WOW !, this guy has a 1909 s vdb in ms 68 red. I say I have an ms 66 red which looks as good as his ms68 red.
Joshua has the first complete mint state Indian cent collection that I would like compared to my set......as a showdown
Let PCGS sponser it. I will send an e-mail to David Hall, Rick Montgomery and B.J. Searles
Stewart Blay
Any plans to show your set in the future? I think both sets are impressive in terms of completion and grade. The deciding factor then comes down to eye appeal and I am of the opinion that this is what the thread is now about, the best looking cents.
Rich
<< <i>I want to have FUN ! ALL my mint state Indian Cents are slabbed by PCGS. >>
I really would have been surprised if they were not(slabbed). I do think it would be great to see not one, but two sets like this side by side. To bad I live across the country from the ANA.
I am speechless.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Wondercoin.
TerpsRock: I was actually glad that Maryland won - it was about time. At least we kept it in the ACC.
All this talk about displaying sets is interesting. PCGS should arrange for the displaying of high ranking sets to show collectors what they look at. Could be a great teaching tool.
Who wouldn't want to see the four best merc sets side by side. I think it would display every one of the finest graded coins for the entire series.
I would always be willing to show my sets. If it can be arranged my Indians can travel.
Joshua
Camelot
I'm excited ! I have been e-mailing BJ and I've asked her to speak with Rick Montgomery.
" LET'S GET IT ON "
Stewart Blay
My apologies for all my previous posts. Based on your statement in your first post in which I was not privy to the fact some statements we not true and you were just having fun I may have made some harsh statements. In my defense a lot of people thought you were serious but I was just the more vocal one.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Bill, nice conclusion. For what it is worth, Stewart Blay had the finest 1909-1964 Mint State Lincoln set and Finest 1909-1964 Lincoln Proof set (notice the date ranges) listed in the 1999 PCGS Set Registry list (it is called the Worlds Finest Coin Collections, but by Stewart's very definintion of his Indian set this is a falacy, even though all know that). This is one top notch collector of Copper small cent coins.
If you pay my air fare, I will still compare set of Indians that has served it's tour of duty in the commerce of the United States of America with both of you. (My Lincolns too)
For me the major problem with registered sets is in the eyes of the beholders. Many assume these are the only worthy collections in existence, and that anyone with a world class set would logically list it. The truth is for every listed IH set there are many unlisted ones of equal magnitude. Some include NGC coins and the owners have no desire to play PCGS's crossover game, others are owned by collectors who just prefer to keep a low profile. And there are still others who's #s don't match up but whose quality does. Besides Stewart's, I know of two west coast gentleman with incredible sets in the works, one of which includes 10 of the Epstein coins.
Was that your IH proof set Heritage sold in the 2001 FUN sale Joshua? Is the 1872 the one from Superior's Googleman sale? I have about 20 more questions but I'll save you the torment. Congrats on a tremendous accomplishment and look forward to seeing the set cataloged someday.
Yes that was my Proof indian cent collection that sold at FUN. That was before I realized that you couldn't (shouldn't) build a set split between PCGS and NGC. I just went for whatever coins were the nicest. Now I try for the nicest at PCGS.
I don't think the 72 is from the Gougleman set. That one had a mark at 7:00 on the reverse. The one I have is the other 66RD.
Ask all the questions you want - if not through here then PM and I'll be happy to answer them.
Joshua
Arrggghh! Another one lost to the evil side of the force!
Have a Resistry Coin for sale ....1856 flying eagle cent proof-66...P.O.R.
Bill Dominick
Then I can bring the Jack Lee 1921-P MS-66 (also PCGS) walker out of hiding and ride your coattails to a new record for the 1921-P's.
It depresses me to see that date/mm fade into obscurity compared to the 1919-D, 1921-D and 1921-S issues, yet it is essentially just as rare as those other issues in MS-66.
SB surprises me in that he wants to prove that his set is superior to yours. That is counterproductive. Better to have the world think yours is the best when you are ready to sell it and then his set can ride on your coattails.
Hmmmm....I am sounding like a dealer and promoter, eh? :-)
Seriously, I hope you do well and am sad to see you let a great set of walkers go. I have no intention of giving up the Jack Lee Walker for a very long time.
I did pick up the Kritzman 1945-S micro s dime in MS-67FB at the Heritage auction a while back.
purveyor of the finest Merc dime set ever. I can vouch for that.
Welcome to this thread Bill!
I was PO'd I lost your 1918-D dime in the last auction.
Tradedollar...........I agree 100%. Most of my NGC slabbed coins which are in the distinct minority of my slabbed coins are truly superior for their assigned grade but then they were slabbed long ago.
I do not like cracking out coins either.
I have been informed Indian Cents been moved up the Weighting Queue and will be weighted soon.
Stewart Blay
Like Stewart, I'm jealous of the collection too.
Even though I've got a few holes in my blue Whitman folder I'd put my Indians up against Stewart's any day of the week.
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I just returned from viewing the Heritage ANA Auction. The ALLY coins ARE NOT just "holders" and I strongly commend Joshua on the incredible set he built. I don't do a lot with Walkers, but I plan on bidding on a few. His coins are really super! Prediction: record prices!!!
I think the sick attempt at "fun" by Stewart Blay was the most patheic display of jealously and lack of class I can remember seeing. Stewart, if you were smart, I'd type the words: I AM SORRY JOSHUA! And mean it. And anyone else who rode the negativity wave, shame on you!
Joshua is one of the nicest people I know. I do a little biz w/him (no, I'm not protecting any interests) , but I had the pleasure of sitting next to him once on an airplane coming back from a show and chatting for quite awhile. He is a really wonderful person who seems to be sincere and love his collecting.
Laura Sperber
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I think the sick attempt at "fun" by Stewart Blay was the most patheic display of jealously and lack of class I can remember seeing. Stewart, if you were smart, I'd type the words: I AM SORRY JOSHUA! And mean it. And anyone else who rode the negativity wave, shame on you!
Indirect:
Perhaps it would have been a little more classy to denigrate someone's set in private, rather than such a public forum?
Perhaps this was an attempt at humor, but it certainly fell flat on its face!