And the winner is?

DAM

In addition, in each category the collector with the finest set with at a least 50% completion, will receive a certificate of recognition as well as a "Best of the Registry" icon by his or her set listing in the registry.

Per the rule, as stated above, who will have the winning Barber Halve Dollar Set? Set number 1 is 99% complete while set number 2 is 100% complete.

BJ

The ratings are the number we'll be looking at in the case of the "Best of the Registry" certificate.

However, as far as the other 15 awards go, there are several things the judges will be looking at. For example, if the set is NOT weighted and doesn't have bonus or deduction points taken, then such things as color, cameo designations, etc. may be considered as some of the criteria when judging as well as what coins you actually have in your set. So, although you may be sitting in the number 2 or 3 spot, it doesn't necessarily mean your set won't be a winner.

Winners will be announced next week.

DeepCoin

All the sets are winners in their own way. It is just that some will receive an award soon. Collect for yourself, not rewards and you will be much happier! That said, thanks for the forum.

DAM

Thanks for the reply BJ.

I don't understand the logic or reasoning behind giving an imcomplete set consideration over a complete set. Take the example I used, the Barber Halve Set. Set #1 is incomplete but has a higher set rating. While set #2 is 100% complete and has a lower set rating. In what contest does 2nd Place ever get awarded First Prize? Auto racing? Baseball? Track? Hockey?

I guess I just don't get it!!!

And I'm not intentionally slamming anyones Barber Set. They're both fine sets. I only used this as an example.

DAM

DAM

Deepcoin,

My feelings exactly. My concern is some collectors may get frustrated and feel it's a "good ole boy" system and not participate. Like I said, I guess I just don't get it. The logic escapes me.

keithdagen

DeepCoin,

Apparantly, very few people buy into that philosophy. Just look at all the animosity around here lately.

DAM,

Even the #2 Barber Half set would concede that the #1 set is a better set. Look at the total number of available upgrades between #1 and #2. Even given a singel coin missing, the #1 set is superior, and deserves the current recognition.

BJ

The certificates are awarded to those who were in the #1 spot in each set category when the deadline occurred. So that I guess you can understand.

But you are having problems understanding the 15 plaque awards and the HOF inductions, correct? This isn't exactly a horse race. Please forgive me for using this example, but this is more like a dog show. There's a bunch of different kinds of dogs entered into a contest that are put into categories. They are then led in front of the judges who judge the dog using a certain set of criteria depending on the breed. In a horse race, there is a clear winner. Not necessarily so in a dog show.

A year from now, when weighting and bonuses have been added to all the sets, then the judging becomes easier for all to see. But right now, the judges are faced with weighted and non-weighted sets, sets with bonuses/deductions, sets with none. I have complete confidence that our experts will choose wisely and I think that in the end, most people will agree with the selections.

Yes, I guess that there will be some "good ole' boy" sets inducted into the HOF, but don't they deserve to be there? Will that deter the new collector? Shouldn't it really just raise the bar?

MadMarty

For future reference, shouldn't all sets in the top 5 have scans of the coins? It's hard to judge coins by grades only. Something to think about next year.



<< <i>Yes, I guess that there will be some "good ole' boy" sets inducted into the HOF, but don't they deserve to be there? >>


Yes, they should be there, but should be given a HOF all to themselfs. They should go into a classics HOF, they are, well Classics

I would think if this is the first year for a HOF, that it should be this years people in it.

Just my 2 cents worth...

DAM

Keith,

I'm not taking issue with which is the betterset, rather which set could you display as the current finest set. And to me that means complete. I'm not trying to stir up a hornets nest. I'm just a bit confused at the definition of the word "finest".

BJ,

My concern and my only issue is that of completeness of the set. Using your example of a dog show, you must concede that the winning dog will have four legs, two ears, and a tail. A dog with anything less will not come in 1st place.

I'm not arguing, I'm really not , an incomplete set may have finer coins than a complete set. I just don't see how PCGS can give a Number 1 Set award to an imcomplete set when there is a complete set that should get it.

I guess it's just me!

Thanks BJ

BJ

The scanning requirement is a hard one to enforce, although I agree with you completely. We are trying to figure out ways to encourage people to do just that.

I'm not a huge sports fan, but don't HOFer's have to prove themselves before they are inducted? There will be probably 200 sets that are recognized as "BOR" for 2002 and will forever have the awards icon by their set name, so we are definitely trying to make the newbies feel as though they have accomplished something... because they really have.

But doesn't it make more sense for the HOF to induct those collectors who have paid their dues and have worked for years to achieve the best in their field of expertise? (BTW, I don't know if the HOF will initially just include the classics or not. I suspect that at the very least sets of commemoratives may make the HOF.)

BJ

DAM,

Ah semantics. You keep saying incomplete sets but I'm not talking about comparing an apple and an orange. Let me clarify... what I mean by taking a 2nd place set over a 1st place set doesn't have to do with completion. I was referring to two complete unweighted sets, one that may include some better date coins, or another set that has 100% red coins with no bonus points yet added. That's the kind of situation I'm referring to, when a number 2 set may indeed be the better set.

The BOR certificate, on the other hand, is strictly a horse race. If you were in #1 at the deadline, regardless of completion, you will be recognized for being number 1.

I hope we are on the same page now. And, P.S. I know you aren't arguing!

IrishMike

BJ, I admire your patience.

braddick

Mike- SOMETHING you like about the CU Forums! Will you take that positive energy with you when you cross the street?

BNE

Hi, BJ. Interesting comment about the photos and how to promote them.

Perhaps PCGS ought to offer complementary imaging as an option with the free pedigreeing for top five sets. Many, I am sure, would really like to see their sets imaged on the registry but lack the equipment to do so (and may not want to pay to have it done).

The incidental benefit to PCGS would be a more interesting and frequently-viewed registry, and could lead to all kinds of fun games on these boards (i.e., whose ATF set was that red 1914-D Lincoln set in before it was added to Joe Blow's current set?)

Just a thought.

MadMarty

Hey People,
Did you know BJ has 2 pet armadillos...

Gotta love those Texans...

MS67PLUS

AND THE REAL WINNER IS!!!!

Is anyone that has a set Registered in the PCGS SET REGISTERY the owner of an incomplete set has as much PRIDE in his set as someone who has a fully complete set. Competition is the AMERICAN WAY and is a fine thing but sometimes some individuals take it to the extreme. Everyone lighten up and enjoy the hobby we have chosen to participate in in other words chill out

Bear

Is BJ going to have her armadillos slabbed?

IrishMike

LOL Braddick, actually I am a big fan of both PCGS and NGC companies and their boards. Both companies have hard working, dedicated employees and it makes me uncomfortable to see unwarranted critcism, especially that based on mostly speculation. I enjoy pointing that out. That post was not only meant to be a compliment to BJ, but also a subtle message to some to lighten up. Here is the scary part, Pat, I actually find myself agreeing with the majority of your posts, even If I might have a different slant, I still enjoy reading them.

Wingsrule

...but also a subtle message to some to lighten up...

Here Mike, I'll say it for you (not so subtly)...

LIGHTEN UP everybody.