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Was looking at a coin recently that was pedigreed to the Teich Family Collection and was looking for some more info on this pedigree. Anyone know anything about it? Coins look nicely toned.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A web search quickly brought up this (from 2011) and other links:
    https://www.coinworld.com/news/precious-metals/collection-hides-for-50-years.html

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • SeatedTonersSeatedToners Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for the link. I was wondering if anyone here on the forum had any of the coins, or first hand knowledge of how they look in hand. Sometimes old collections stored in paper envelopes have deep toning which hinders the reflectivity of the mirrors. Does anyone have any of the proofs from this pedigree or knowledge of the surfaces of these coins?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SeatedToners said:
    Thank you for the link. I was wondering if anyone here on the forum had any of the coins, or first hand knowledge of how they look in hand. Sometimes old collections stored in paper envelopes have deep toning which hinders the reflectivity of the mirrors. Does anyone have any of the proofs from this pedigree or knowledge of the surfaces of these coins?

    I’ve seen a number of the coins in different auctions, from time to time. On average, I don’t remember them being either wonderful or subpar.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • SeatedTonersSeatedToners Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @SeatedToners said:
    Thank you for the link. I was wondering if anyone here on the forum had any of the coins, or first hand knowledge of how they look in hand. Sometimes old collections stored in paper envelopes have deep toning which hinders the reflectivity of the mirrors. Does anyone have any of the proofs from this pedigree or knowledge of the surfaces of these coins?

    I’ve seen a number of the coins in different auctions, from time to time. On average, I don’t remember them being either wonderful or subpar.

    Thanks! I found one I think I like. I just can’t decide on pulling the trigger. Unfortunately it’s not something I can view in person before buying.

  • truebloodtrueblood Posts: 609 ✭✭✭✭

    I have one....meh.

  • SeatedTonersSeatedToners Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭

    @trueblood said:
    I have one....meh.

    May I ask which coin you have?

  • jp84jp84 Posts: 220 ✭✭✭

    I have an 1881 proof indian attributed to the Teich Family collection. Beautiful coin but given a 92 by our hosts.

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 20, 2020 4:50PM


    I recall this 1871 cameo proof half dime from the Teich Family Collection sale of Stacks Bowers in 2011-11.

    In 2011-11 and 2012-10 it was in a PCGS PR-66 cam CAC holder, tied for #11 in the roster for PR cam.

    In 2013 it went into an NGC PR-67+ cam CAC holder, tied for #2 in the roster

    and later crossed to PCGS PR-67+ cam CAC.

    Here's how the auction prices for this coin fluctuated.
    Note: there are 4 different NGC PR-67 ucam coins which keep the values of the PR cam coins in check.

    This was just something I noticed when creating my 1871 half dime attribution guide;
    I try to track auction appearances of the top 10 or so coins for each die variety.
    https://sites.google.com/view/clintcummins/half-dime-attribution-guide

  • SeatedTonersSeatedToners Posts: 392 ✭✭✭✭

    @yosclimber said:

    I recall this 1871 cameo proof half dime from the Teich Family Collection sale of Stacks Bowers in 2011-11.

    In 2011-11 and 2012-10 it was in a PCGS PR-66 cam CAC holder, tied for #11 in the roster for PR cam.

    In 2013 it went into an NGC PR-67+ cam CAC holder, tied for #2 in the roster

    and later crossed to PCGS PR-67+ cam CAC.

    Here's how the auction prices for this coin fluctuated.
    Note: there are 4 different NGC PR-67 ucam coins which keep the values of the PR cam coins in check.

    This was just something I noticed when creating my 1871 half dime attribution guide;
    I try to track auction appearances of the top 10 or so coins for each die variety.
    https://sites.google.com/view/clintcummins/half-dime-attribution-guide

    Great detective work! That’s a beautiful coin. I wonder if your research would be enough for pcgs to re-pedigree it? I’ve always wondered how hard it would be to have them re-pedigree when you have pictures which clearly show toning and clearly identifiable markers.

    Thanks for posting!

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,960 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks.
    I do have fun looking for matches in auction photos!

    I know PCGS will allow you to invent your own collection name for the slab label.
    I don't know what their criteria are for identifying a prior collection (provenance).
    Presumably it requires reasonable proof like the above.

    P.S. I prefer the words label or provenance here.
    To me, "pedigree" is for biological ancestry (and it's a noun); I think of it more for horses and dogs.

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