Prices will remain artificially low as to not incite panic or upset the market.
^ "The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Metals markets snapping in half is going to be spectacular compared to things like student loans, health care, education etc. I mean this regardless of my position; I'd be sitting on the edge of my seat right now if I didn't have any metals, cheering all you dudes on.
I hope people have the emotional and financial stability to keep up the good work.
100 years later and the story is still the same. lol
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
spoofing does not hold prices down or up. it simply moves them for a fleeting moment for a better fill. after all that time spoofing on PM trading operation only made less than $12 million dollars.
spoofing does not hold prices down or up. it simply moves them for a fleeting moment for a better fill. after all that time spoofing on PM trading operation only made less than $12 million dollars.
pushing prices in one direction via spoofing initiates price momentum that likely triggers buy/sell decisions by law abiding players.There is no way to know how much profit has been generated from spoofing; we do not know how long it has been going or how prevalent it is in the market. We do know it is not limited to the the precious metals futures market.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
that's the government taking back ill gotten gains
the ones it knows about.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Always remember, there have been innumerable people who have come out and admitted to being "online moderators" e.g., shills for these metals companies and banks. They are put on payroll to suppress other peoples opinions and lay out disinformation campaigns.
Guess I'm a shill for the stacker and free market advocates as well as today's conspiracy theory that becomes tomorrow's fact. My posts seem to often attract the "shills for these metals companies and banks." I like arguing with them and proving them wrong.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Always remember, there have been innumerable people who have come out and admitted to being "online moderators" e.g., shills for these metals companies and banks. They are put on payroll to suppress other peoples opinions and lay out disinformation campaigns.
Guess I'm a shill for the stacker and free market advocates as well as today's conspiracy theory that becomes tomorrow's fact. My posts seem to often attract the "shills for these metals companies and banks." I like arguing with them and proving them wrong.
I will be the first to attest, you have been wrong for multiple decades, maybe one day you will finally be right, Good Luck!
PS Comex is a paper puppet, they don't need physical metal. The can always settle in toilet paper. RGDS!!
Always remember, there have been innumerable people who have come out and admitted to being "online moderators" e.g., shills for these metals companies and banks. They are put on payroll to suppress other peoples opinions and lay out disinformation campaigns.
Guess I'm a shill for the stacker and free market advocates as well as today's conspiracy theory that becomes tomorrow's fact. My posts seem to often attract the "shills for these metals companies and banks." I like arguing with them and proving them wrong.
I will be the first to attest, you have been wrong for multiple decades, maybe one day you will finally be right, Good Luck!
You mean like how I was wrong to, for all these years, recommend silver eagles as the correct choice when buying physical silver. LOL
Or, before the huge price spikes, how I suggested uranium and lithium as good investments?
Sure, I've been wrong on timing with how soon silver will go to the moon, but the moon ain't going nowhere. Believing fundamentals still drove markets I simply underestimated COMEX's dominant control over spot price just as the FED took control of the stock market. COMEX disruption will be required just as FED disruption (rising interest rates) is now showing up in equity prices. Uncertainty, supply chain issues, world reserve currency destruction will drive physical PM demand beyond COMEX limits to control. Patience will be rewarded.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Always remember, there have been innumerable people who have come out and admitted to being "online moderators" e.g., shills for these metals companies and banks. They are put on payroll to suppress other peoples opinions and lay out disinformation campaigns.
Guess I'm a shill for the stacker and free market advocates as well as today's conspiracy theory that becomes tomorrow's fact. My posts seem to often attract the "shills for these metals companies and banks." I like arguing with them and proving them wrong.
I will be the first to attest, you have been wrong for multiple decades, maybe one day you will finally be right, Good Luck!
You mean like how I was wrong to, for all these years, recommend silver eagles as the correct choice when buying physical silver. LOL
Or, before the huge price spikes, how I suggested uranium and lithium as good investments?
Sure, I've been wrong on timing with how soon silver will go to the moon, but the moon ain't going nowhere. Believing fundamentals still drove markets I simply underestimated COMEX's dominant control over spot price just as the FED took control of the stock market. COMEX disruption will be required just as FED disruption (rising interest rates) is now showing up in equity prices. Uncertainty, supply chain issues, world reserve currency destruction will drive physical PM demand beyond COMEX limits to control. Patience will be rewarded.
CFTC Orders JPMorgan to Pay Record $920 Million for Spoofing and Manipulation
September 29, 2020
The order finds that, from at least 2008 through 2016, JPM, through numerous traders on its precious metals and Treasuries trading desks, including the heads of both desks, placed hundreds of thousands of orders to buy or sell certain gold, silver, platinum, palladium, Treasury note, and Treasury bond futures contracts with the intent to cancel those orders prior to execution. Through these spoof orders, the traders intentionally sent false signals of supply or demand designed to deceive market participants into executing against other orders they wanted filled. According to the order, in many instances, JPM traders acted with the intent to manipulate market prices and ultimately did cause artificial prices.
Always remember, there have been innumerable people who have come out and admitted to being "online moderators" e.g., shills for these metals companies and banks. They are put on payroll to suppress other peoples opinions and lay out disinformation campaigns.
Guess I'm a shill for the stacker and free market advocates as well as today's conspiracy theory that becomes tomorrow's fact. My posts seem to often attract the "shills for these metals companies and banks." I like arguing with them and proving them wrong.
I will be the first to attest, you have been wrong for multiple decades, maybe one day you will finally be right, Good Luck!
You mean like how I was wrong to, for all these years, recommend silver eagles as the correct choice when buying physical silver. LOL
Right as opposed to what? Someone who purchased 100oz bars has realized similar, it not better returns.
But i suppose the desire to "be right" is the narcissist in you?
@meluaufeet said:
after all that time spoofing on PM trading operation only made less than $12 million dollars.
And after the "spoofing" stopped in 2016, silver still languished which certainly is indicative of the practice not holding the price at artificially low levels.
But i suppose the desire to "be right" is the narcissist in you?
My correction of a negative post directed at me is not narcissism.
Don't worry, you still the best, smartest and brightest here and of course, you have the biggest hands. Hopefully others will chime in with praise for you so you can feel like the winner you desire so bad to be.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
@meluaufeet said:
I never thought spoofing was intended to keep PM's down. That's not what the CFTC said. Maybe some think otherwise.
Several on this forum stated that PM prices were being artificially suppressed via manipulation and frequently cited these spoofing cases as evidence of that manipulation.
Spoofing is used by traders to manipulate prices to increase their profits and is illegal. It is believed by many that it is also used by the large bullion banks to manipulate prices downward at the metals futures exchange at the behest of FED and Treasury officials who wish to keep the dollar strong. Remember, the price of gold is simply a refection of faith in the currency. Strong gold reflects bad dollar faith.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
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Better hurry up and "Git sum now!!!" Oh these clowns. 50 years later and the story is still the same. lol
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
Well, yeah, the whole market is a con and I'm sure much more sh> @derryb said:
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Prices will remain artificially low as to not incite panic or upset the market.
^ "The beatings will continue until morale improves."
Metals markets snapping in half is going to be spectacular compared to things like student loans, health care, education etc. I mean this regardless of my position; I'd be sitting on the edge of my seat right now if I didn't have any metals, cheering all you dudes on.
I hope people have the emotional and financial stability to keep up the good work.
100 years later and the story is still the same. lol
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
It's crazy all the stuff that never happens is happening, and all the stuff people are testifying to prosecutors that happened, never happened.
Strangers on the internet weren't there personally helping these people fix gold. So it must have never happened.
This is how disinformation campaigns attempt to exhaust you.
a campaign?
spoofing does not hold prices down or up. it simply moves them for a fleeting moment for a better fill. after all that time spoofing on PM trading operation only made less than $12 million dollars.
pushing prices in one direction via spoofing initiates price momentum that likely triggers buy/sell decisions by law abiding players.There is no way to know how much profit has been generated from spoofing; we do not know how long it has been going or how prevalent it is in the market. We do know it is not limited to the the precious metals futures market.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/12714632/#Comment_12714632
criminal disgorgement ($11,828,912)
that's the government taking back ill gotten gains
the ones it knows about.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Using a word such as "likely", followed by the phrase "do not know" twice, does not instill confidence in those you wish to convert.
However, I do understand the basis of the arguement is weak and you are trying your best. A house is only as strong as the materials used.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
the amount moved is small. these manipulated moves are to get better fills.
Guess I'm a shill for the stacker and free market advocates as well as today's conspiracy theory that becomes tomorrow's fact. My posts seem to often attract the "shills for these metals companies and banks." I like arguing with them and proving them wrong.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
I will be the first to attest, you have been wrong for multiple decades, maybe one day you will finally be right, Good Luck!
PS Comex is a paper puppet, they don't need physical metal. The can always settle in toilet paper. RGDS!!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
You mean like how I was wrong to, for all these years, recommend silver eagles as the correct choice when buying physical silver. LOL
Or, before the huge price spikes, how I suggested uranium and lithium as good investments?
Sure, I've been wrong on timing with how soon silver will go to the moon, but the moon ain't going nowhere. Believing fundamentals still drove markets I simply underestimated COMEX's dominant control over spot price just as the FED took control of the stock market. COMEX disruption will be required just as FED disruption (rising interest rates) is now showing up in equity prices. Uncertainty, supply chain issues, world reserve currency destruction will drive physical PM demand beyond COMEX limits to control. Patience will be rewarded.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
Don't hold your breath. But Good Luck! RGDS!!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
CFTC Orders JPMorgan to Pay Record $920 Million for Spoofing and Manipulation
September 29, 2020
The order finds that, from at least 2008 through 2016, JPM, through numerous traders on its precious metals and Treasuries trading desks, including the heads of both desks, placed hundreds of thousands of orders to buy or sell certain gold, silver, platinum, palladium, Treasury note, and Treasury bond futures contracts with the intent to cancel those orders prior to execution. Through these spoof orders, the traders intentionally sent false signals of supply or demand designed to deceive market participants into executing against other orders they wanted filled. According to the order, in many instances, JPM traders acted with the intent to manipulate market prices and ultimately did cause artificial prices.
https://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/8260-20?msclkid=45c1f811a98211eca969a334024d6872
Old news
after all that time spoofing on PM trading operation only made less than $12 million dollars.
Right as opposed to what? Someone who purchased 100oz bars has realized similar, it not better returns.
But i suppose the desire to "be right" is the narcissist in you?
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
And after the "spoofing" stopped in 2016, silver still languished which certainly is indicative of the practice not holding the price at artificially low levels.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
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My correction of a negative post directed at me is not narcissism.
Don't worry, you still the best, smartest and brightest here and of course, you have the biggest hands. Hopefully others will chime in with praise for you so you can feel like the winner you desire so bad to be.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
The love is indeed much appreciated.
Thank you. ❤❤❤
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
It's like Groundhog Day. Decade after decade.......but this times different. SMH!
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
I never thought spoofing was intended to keep PM's down. That's not what the CFTC said. Maybe some think otherwise.
Several on this forum stated that PM prices were being artificially suppressed via manipulation and frequently cited these spoofing cases as evidence of that manipulation.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Spoofing is used by traders to manipulate prices to increase their profits and is illegal. It is believed by many that it is also used by the large bullion banks to manipulate prices downward at the metals futures exchange at the behest of FED and Treasury officials who wish to keep the dollar strong. Remember, the price of gold is simply a refection of faith in the currency. Strong gold reflects bad dollar faith.
"Interest rates, the price of money, are the most important market. And, perversely, they’re the market that’s most manipulated by the Fed." - Doug Casey
I think Dodd-Frank (whistleblower provision) has done a pretty good job bringing sunlight into sometimes shady operations.
https://www.whistleblower.gov/news