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1834 1c pr king of Siam how many exist ?

Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭
edited August 6, 2020 9:46AM in U.S. Coin Forum


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  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭



    Would you be so kind Mr field let share whats different? Thanks much ;)

  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2020 3:26PM

    If you are referring to the Newcomb-7 (Proof only) die variety,
    there are 4 shown on PCGS CoinFacts (2 BN, 1 RB, 1 RD):
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1834-1c-newcomb-7-rd/397586
    and add one more for the King of Siam example [if it was an N-7, but it's not, see @Walkerguy21D's posts] .
    Your coin appears to have the same date position, but I'm sure there are other die markers
    [see below - position of star 6 relative to coronet].

  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭

    @yosclimber said:
    If you are referring to the Newcomb-7 (Proof only) die variety,
    there are 4 shown on PCGS CoinFacts (2 BN, 1 RB, 1 RD):
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1834-1c-newcomb-7-rd/397586
    and add one more for the King of Siam example.
    Your coin appears to have the same date position, but I'm sure there are other die markers.

    Agreed thank you for your inputs on my question. Appreciated

  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @Easy1984 said:

    Would you be so kind Mr field let share whats different? Thanks much ;)

    No, I won’t, and my answer would be the same, even if you’d spelled my name correctly.

    Mfeld my apologies on the typo.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,618 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Easy1984 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @Easy1984 said:

    Would you be so kind Mr field let share whats different? Thanks much ;)

    No, I won’t, and my answer would be the same, even if you’d spelled my name correctly.

    Mfeld my apologies on the typo.

    Thank you.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,468 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2020 2:01PM

    Interesting - the coin shown in the 'Proof set' is NOT an N-7.
    The N-7 has a unique obverse (Obv 5).
    Both the OPs coin remnants, and that in the photo, are Obv 3, either N3 or N4
    (w/o seeing the reverses, can't attribute it any further than that.

    I'm guessing the Proof made for the set was made at a separate time in the year,
    from the dies currently in use at that time.
    The later 'collector' Proofs were made at the end of the year, with a unique set of obverse and reverse dies.

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  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How many King of Siam proof 1834 cents are there? Just one. It came with the proof set originally.

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  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @roadrunner said:
    How many King of Siam proof 1834 cents are there? Just one. It came with the proof set originally.

    There we mutiple dignitary presentation sets made at the same time. The crosslet 4 10s and the class 1 1804 dollars all stem from those sets

  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭

    Well put! There where 8 proof sets made. These sets where given by Mr President jackson. Now if I was too track down the rest of the remaining set and punch the dummy right in the nuts that had the idea of taking a chunk..:/ I will be taking the first 500 people for beers and some more beers. I guess it was the 1800s and it is gold. and platinum but damn. Not to mention The DEXTER carvings. The Great DuPont Robbery😁

  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    Interesting - the coin shown in the 'Proof set' is NOT an N-7.
    The N-7 has a unique obverse (Obv 5).
    Both the OPs coin remnants, and that in the photo, are Obv 3, either N3 or N4
    (w/o seeing the reverses, can't attribute it any further than that.

    I'm guessing the Proof made for the set was made at a separate time in the year,
    from the dies currently in use at that time.
    The later 'collector' Proofs were made at the end of the year, with a unique set of obverse and reverse dies.

    Correct n3

  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭

    @Easy1984 said:

    @Walkerguy21D said:
    Interesting - the coin shown in the 'Proof set' is NOT an N-7.
    The N-7 has a unique obverse (Obv 5).
    Both the OPs coin remnants, and that in the photo, are Obv 3, either N3 or N4
    (w/o seeing the reverses, can't attribute it any further than that.

    I'm guessing the Proof made for the set was made at a separate time in the year,
    from the dies currently in use at that time.
    The later 'collector' Proofs were made at the end of the year, with a unique set of obverse and reverse dies.

    Correct n3

  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭

  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭

    And to all that think I am a troll🙈💩§00 much to learn..;)hubdub2020

  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭

    Rico

  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,303 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 6, 2020 8:01PM

    Yup, several presentation sets were made. That's irrelevant. Only 1 of them can be the 1834 specimen cent that was born with KOS. Don't overthink it.

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  • Easy1984Easy1984 Posts: 99 ✭✭
    edited August 8, 2020 12:10AM

    Hello guys and gals I have got some questions I have been studying this coin all day I'm not at all convinced this is a man made mint error.. The N3 die was damaged as in DIE CRACKS. That has been what has caused a piece to break off. If you study you will always have answers;) What do you think ?? LETS GET SOME THINKING# Possibilitys possibilities
    Die cracks match broken piece ??

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,837 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You’re confusing die cracks with planchet cracks

    Your 1834 was broken in two well after it was in circulation

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