A second example of the 1795 O-133 Flowing Hair half dollar has been identified. It was plated in the Superior Galleries (Steinberg) sale, September 1996, lot 738, where it was described as VG-8 (raw) with planchet streaks, light adjusment marks, and attributed as O-122. Its whereabouts are unknown.
Note: O-122 is a Rarity-5 die marriage with perhaps 50 to 60 known.
@physicsfan314 said:
If this so closely resembles another marriage, is it possible that a few of those are mis-diagnosed?
yes. it is pretty much 100%
Seems like only very minor differences here.
(I play with Capped Bust Halves, but don't have the finances to play with Flowing Hairs, hence my unfamiliarity).
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really, there isn't much difference in CBH, DBH, FBH or any other series when attributing by marriage. (at least the ways i accompolish it) ie: letter position, date position, dentil/reed count. cracks, cuds, clashes etc. pretty much all the same features across a lot of the series. some easier than others but TDITD!
partially going off what Editor stated. the o-133 is a rarity OF a rarity. a completely new obv die after all this time is astonishing and is every time a new one pops up in the various series that they do and every time (as far as i know) they turn out to be major rarities, which makes sense.
the comment about minor differences. to some extent perhaps but in this context a couple mm in the terms of attributions, can be miles. one of my favorite thing about attributing 18th/19th century coins by letter/date position. 99% of the time either it is or simply is not even though there are many that are close and much closer than the o-133 BUT just different enough to be something else entirely. (die erosion/condition/toning etc of course can alter this effort greatly.
i'm sure there is more refinement and information that can be added to this post but should get one in the ballpark.
Yes, the coin shown in the photo above in the OGH (PCGS Serial # 4400219) is the same coin as sold by Heritage in 2003. It was not attributed in this 2003 sale as 1795 O-122.
The 1795 FH O-133 Half Dollar Discovery Coin has been sold.
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If this so closely resembles another marriage, is it possible that a few of those are mis-diagnosed?
I see people referencing the O-122. How common is that? Seems like only very minor differences here.
(I play with Capped Bust Halves, but don't have the finances to play with Flowing Hairs, hence my unfamiliarity).
A second example of the 1795 O-133 Flowing Hair half dollar has been identified. It was plated in the Superior Galleries (Steinberg) sale, September 1996, lot 738, where it was described as VG-8 (raw) with planchet streaks, light adjusment marks, and attributed as O-122. Its whereabouts are unknown.
Note: O-122 is a Rarity-5 die marriage with perhaps 50 to 60 known.
Steve
yes. it is pretty much 100%
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really, there isn't much difference in CBH, DBH, FBH or any other series when attributing by marriage. (at least the ways i accompolish it) ie: letter position, date position, dentil/reed count. cracks, cuds, clashes etc. pretty much all the same features across a lot of the series. some easier than others but TDITD!
partially going off what Editor stated. the o-133 is a rarity OF a rarity. a completely new obv die after all this time is astonishing and is every time a new one pops up in the various series that they do and every time (as far as i know) they turn out to be major rarities, which makes sense.
the comment about minor differences. to some extent perhaps but in this context a couple mm in the terms of attributions, can be miles. one of my favorite thing about attributing 18th/19th century coins by letter/date position. 99% of the time either it is or simply is not even though there are many that are close and much closer than the o-133 BUT just different enough to be something else entirely. (die erosion/condition/toning etc of course can alter this effort greatly.
i'm sure there is more refinement and information that can be added to this post but should get one in the ballpark.
The new variety is now listed on the John Reich Collectors Society R6-R8 Gallery page. http://www.jrcs.org/jrcs_rare_gallery.php
Is this one sold by Heritage at the 2003 FUN also O-133 ?
Link to Dave's Busthalfaddict's page: http://maibockaddict.com/1795-o-133-r8-flowing-hair-half-dollar
[Edit - After comparing, I think this is probably the same discovery coin.]
Pacific Northwest Numismatic Association
Any success?
Yes, the coin shown in the photo above in the OGH (PCGS Serial # 4400219) is the same coin as sold by Heritage in 2003. It was not attributed in this 2003 sale as 1795 O-122.
The 1795 FH O-133 Half Dollar Discovery Coin has been sold.
W. David Perkins Numismatics - http://www.davidperkinsrarecoins.com/ - 25+ Years ANA, ANS, NLG, NBS, LM JRCS, LSCC, EAC, TAMS, LM CWTS, CSNS, FUN
I already did, no such luck!
It’s amazing after all these years we are still discovering
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/publishedset/209923
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/quarters/washington-quarters-major-sets/washington-quarters-date-set-circulation-strikes-1932-present/album/209923
@1northcoin Thanks for asking, but no........
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