BVG Holders. Ewww
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Got this in today. My first BVG card. Don't like it. The holder just feels clunky. I like they sub grade categories, but the whole package just looks cheap to me. And is that a penny sleeve inside the holder?!! Also, how does a 5, 6, 8 and an 8.5 equate to a 5.5 overall? Im an SGC/PSA guy. I know BVG is highly regarded, but I'm not impressed. Don't get me wrong, I feel the grading is accurate, but I don't like much else. Just my opinion/review.
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I think you would find that the high surface and edge grade would be hurt by the obvious centering and corner issues and most likely grade a PSA 5. The sub grades pump BGS grades up.
I hate these fat holders. I crack BGS cards and I am willing to take a downgrade in grade to have it in a PSA holder. About 70% it goes down a grade, 25% it stays the same and 5% it goes up a grade.
I have found that the corners and centering grades are what are key to PSA. A lower surface grade with BGS can lead to a higher overall grade from PSA. Not a perfect science just my experience.
The reason they sell for less in most cases is the negative arbitrage of my math above. It’s real.
Great card but hate BVG BGS BCCG 9.5 Black 10s and the rest of their nonsense. Just not for me. I understand others like them. Just like there are people that think driving H2 Hummers were cool and the movie V for Vendetta had some deep meaning and was not a steaming pile of crap. In other words there is a peg for every hole. Just not for me.
Well said
Brian
Overall grade can only be 0.5 higher than lowest subgrade. Occasionally it can be a full point higher but don’t know the details.
I like the BGS holders, just not the different color labels.
I own 2 or 3 SGC cards, but zero graded by Beckett. I hate their thick holders.
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A low 6 digit cert number like that would have been graded in the 2000/2001 timeframe.
Back then they gave everything subgrades.
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I am strictly a PSA guy for sure.
However I do have maybe 10 BGS cards. I love the thick holders.
I also love the newer PSA cases
1948-76 Topps FB Sets
FB & BB HOF Player sets
1948-1993 NY Yankee Team Sets
I’ve purchased several BGS cards generally when the scarcity of the card either raw or in a PSA slab is very high. For example, the following card has not been graded by PSA and I’ve never seen one raw.
At some point I’ll submit as a crossover with a minimum grade of 10.
I’ve also got a few others from breaks where the cards were slabbed and graded before packaging. Not sure if I’ll cross those over or not.
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And for the record, I was never arguing the grade of the card in my post. Now that I have it in hand I for sure think it's a 5-6. Just trying to understand their process. But as usual, some great info and thoughts from you guys.
I’m a huge fan of how Beckett grades comics book. They share the grader’s notes after the grades pop.
Would love to see this with cards.
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I have graded thousands of cards of with both. I love the subgrades, but Beckett doesn't do that it anymore unless you pay some high fee. I think this hurts it's brand some, especially for the 1981 - 1995 cards. I like the holders just fine.
Quite frankly, I'm not sure why PSA and Beckett can't provide subgrades for all of their cards. You don't have to put it on the cards, just list it on the website. So when you punch in the serial number to check authenticity, the subgrades could be posted their. I would assume that for the last 5 years and moving forward the internet would be used by most. And this info is probably done for each card anyway, by the graders. I know I would like this. So if PSA grades a card a 10, but has a 9 centering it might not sell for as much as a 10 with 10 centering. ALmost making a 10 with 9 centering a 9.5. Definitely would create a new market for 10's. People would review the centered ones and add value to PSA.
I agree. I use SGC for personal grading and they were supposed to start providing grader notes/sub grades. It hasn't happened yet. I think any major grading company should. I feel it gives even more credibility.
I like the Beckett holder - but do not like their grading. Think the cards are well protected and I will buy their old holders (the old gold ones or the silver ones with subgrades) for vintage cards as I think they were the strictest of the three grading companies way back then. But their standards are now lax compared to the others and really do not buy them since they stopped the sub-grades for vintage. It seemed their grading standards weakened at the same time.
Gold Flip with Sub-Grades
Gold Flip with subs moved to the back
The silver flips with sub-grades look like the Frank Robinson from the OP.
The gold flips do look nice on those.
That Mantle is a beauty.
Probably result in a price hike. Would take someone more time and time is money, usually ours. May only take a minute or two per card, but multiply that by the thousands of cards graded and the time starts to add up. Someone would have to do this and be paid for their time. This may equal a price hike somewhere in the mix.
Yeah that’s my thought as well. Just too much drag on the grading process.
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Centering on the Mantle an 8? Looks better than that!
Thanks. I have found the early BVG holders with the gold to be super strict.
I had no idea Beckett graded comics. side note, I collected comics back in the day and Spawn was one of the many Number 1's I purchased between 1992-1994. never read it, purchased solely as an investment. ended up selling them all raw a few years back but decided to grade a select few. the Spawn graded a 9.6 and I sold it to a coworker. recently felt bad I dumped it, so recently picked up a few comics I had growing up, already graded CGC 9.8. Spawn #1 being one of them. would post a pic, but dont know if its against the rules here lol.
CBCS is owned by Beckett Media and is a competitor of CGC.
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I have many more psa cards in my collection, but I do believe that Beckett holders offer more protection than any other. I think it is really inarguable.
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I don't disagree. Thing feels bulletproof.
The sleeve is a fine for protection, but also an eyesore. Pros and cons to everything I suppose.
A few of my BVG slabs. Love the Canadian cards. Nolan Astros with Angels uniform. Joe Morgan Astros card with Reds Uni.
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What % of the time would a BVG graded card crossover to PSA at the same grade? Anyone have experience with this?
The original Beckett slabs with the subgrades on the back were the best ever, IMO. They stack great, they look great and the damn things are solid. Having said that, the only Beckett graded cards I own will be cracked and sent to PSA. I especially appreciate the sleeve which gives added protection when cracking. 👍🏻
If I went on EBAY right now and typed in BVG 8 or 9 Mantle, Mays or Aaron......95% of those cards would have no chance at crossing over in a straight crossover and 90% would have no chance in raw form of getting the same grade. I may even be conservative. Most high grade vintage power cards are trimmed or terribly overgraded. I mean it is silly at times. The above 2 Mantle's are nice and rare BVG finds.
If you collect Star basketball it is your only choice. Their centering grades on some of the star cards are pretty strict.
I like the design of their holder for modern autos. Vintage, not so much.
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The inner sleeve that Beckett uses is good and bad. Good that it keeps the card from moving around in the holder. But bad that I think it slightly "dulls" the colors / appearance of the card.
I have some PSA Holders with the plastic sheet in the back only -- which I really like. It minimizes / prevents card movement, and you get to see the front of the card clearly.
I think their holders are the easiest actually. Plus the sealed inner sleeve protects the card further while doing so.
Yes BGS holder by far the easiest to crack.
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You ever crack cards?
You can’t go wrong snipping a corner and popping the slab right open and with the card being in a sleeve the chances of damage are almost zero.
Yes I have cracked many cards. SGC and PSA are the easiest.
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SGC cracks easily but you have the insert to worry about. The new PSA holder is very tricky to crack. Sometimes it doesn’t want to pry open easily. You also have to directly handle the card and that poses risk. BGS, corner snip and screw driver run underneath and pops clean in two. With the card being in the bag you just cut of the top and pull out. By far the easiest to crack.
Have you cracked any lately. PSA & SGC are incredibly harder these days and have been this way for a while actually. BGS are definitely the easiest. The thicker plastic prevent cracking and sharding. Plus there seems to be more room between the top and bottom thus giving more room to pry.
So much easier. I will take a BGS slab to crack over the others all day.
I can agree that the holders are bulky, but the sub-grades are nice to have.
But occasionally I have to feed my "OCD like" tendencies and pick up a favorite card in a non PSA holder.
Especially if the price is right.
At least Lesnar is free from the Beckett prison. LOL.
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I felt really good about this one and it became the first PSA 10.
Oh my. Awesome job on getting the 10. I actually liked Lesnar in the UFC. He added superstar excitement. He wasn't the greatest fighter; but was the strongest and best athlete of the big guys. You never knew what to expect. He could take punishment too. Tough, tough man.
I've had to invest in a Dremel for slabs. Those larger Beckett ones are like riot police shields.
Brock added excitement. You know how devastating he can be and his look and intensity just made you want to tune in. He has been my favorite since he debuted in 2002. This card is special because in 2009 buying some Brock cards is what got me into wrestling cards and so nailing the first 10 was cool.