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Doily collectors - post your Doilies w/o PCGS at the top (trying to figure out the number made).

LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited April 8, 2024 5:55PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Small project - would like to pin down the number of Doilies w/o PCGS at the top.

10 known to me as of 5-25-21, 12 as of 1-22-23 - post them here, if you would.

I'm guessing there are fewer than 20??












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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,946 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is that one yours?

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    oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,906 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS is all over the front of the doily label embedded into the design.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS70 - yes.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,258 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All of my doilys have PCGS on them.

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 3, 2020 3:59PM

    I am wondering if the labels without PCGS printed at the top center were some of the first doily labels printed or if it was just a mistake somewhere along the line.

    I you know of six holders without PCGS at the top then I would say that it is a pretty safe bet that there are more than ten out there.

    Of those six that you are aware of, is that counting the two 1921 Morgans that are pictured in the Doily Census thread?

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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Do you know the cert numbers of the others ???

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Of those six that you are aware of, is that counting the two 1921 Morgans that are pictured in the Doily Census thread?

    I believe so but will double check - have been under the weather so moving/working slowly.....

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was a copier tech in the late 80's, early 90's and understand the early print technology.
    I suspect that the second printer run of black didn't adhere well, after been thru the print process once already. The black printing on doily labels seems a bit sketchy. Maybe thats why why the doily was abandoned and the ogh was born.

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    Mike59Mike59 Posts: 299 ✭✭✭

    my 1924 $20 Saint Has PCGS in black on top

    MIKE B.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thought we had a 7th but false alarm - any others??

    Will bring back once per week for the next 4 weeks, then let it slide for a while.......

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Sandman70gt said:
    I was a copier tech in the late 80's, early 90's and understand the early print technology.
    I suspect that the second printer run of black didn't adhere well, after been thru the print process once already. The black printing on doily labels seems a bit sketchy. Maybe thats why why the doily was abandoned and the ogh was born.

    I thought it was dot matrix printer with the perforated paper.
    The following sold on Heritage a few years back.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Davewesen - thanks for posting! :+1:

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    Sandman70gtSandman70gt Posts: 979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    I thought it was dot matrix printer with the perforated paper.
    The following sold on Heritage a few years back.

    I don't know what was done for sure. What I suspect was a offsite printer service was used for the green portion of the label, which appears to be a high quality dot matrix printer, then a laser printer used at pcgs to print all the black areas on the label.

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    ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 6, 2020 6:11PM

    On a related note...
    Check out this Doily-CAC saint.
    Pretty sweet for a MS62 at $1975
    (looks like a MS64)

    https://www.coinraritiesonline.com/index.php?page=search&task=det_item&item_id=107156

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coins!

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    ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1peter1223 said:
    ?????

    I look for saints all the time and I hardly ever see one in a doily holder.
    When I saw this thread, I thought you folks might be interested.
    I don't know the seller.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any others??

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    78saen78saen Posts: 980 ✭✭✭✭

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice - like the tab-toning as well - yours??

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    78saen78saen Posts: 980 ✭✭✭✭

    @Lakesammman said:
    Nice - like the tab-toning as well - yours??

    Thanks- yes.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Have added the Walker and the Wash-Carv to the OP. :+1:

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All mine have pigs on that top. That's fine by me at this point

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    WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 13, 2020 10:16AM

    @johnny9434 said:
    All mine have pigs on that top. That's fine by me at this point

    I’ve heard of coins that are dogs but not pigs. Those must be really bad! LOL. (joking) >:)

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    DRUNNERDRUNNER Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For historical purposes . . . . at the start of this quest, I had about 84 of the 120 known. That proceeded on to around 165, at which point I quit aggressively seeking every one out there . . .and STILL . . . I never had any without the 'PCGS' at the top . . . .

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    All mine have pigs on that top. That's fine by me at this point

    I’ve heard of coins that are dogs but not pigs. Those must be really bad! LOL. (joking) >:)

    Omg I'm sorry I meant pcgs. The coins are real oinkers to 🙄

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Another member shared his with me today - interesting to see 3 commem's in the mix!

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:

    @Walkerfan said:

    @johnny9434 said:
    All mine have pigs on that top. That's fine by me at this point

    I’ve heard of coins that are dogs but not pigs. Those must be really bad! LOL. (joking) >:)

    Omg I'm sorry I meant pcgs. The coins are real oinkers to 🙄

    Funny, I recall a few dealers refering to PCGS as that back in the early days of slabbing when they didn't get the grades they wanted.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Added #10 this week -- currently on ebay.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow - I wonder if the missing PCGS at the top drove the price on this one??

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 5,859 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 6, 2021 8:35AM

    Are there commemoratives WITH PCGS on the top line? I wonder if it was removed to put in the commemorative name.

    I just checked GC and out of 25 commems, 24 had a smaller darker PCGS

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for checking that out! :+1:

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect that the (old generations, Condor101) 2.0, 2.5 and 3.5 were all being produced at the same time as the 3.0 Doily. You will find all 3 generations printed on a Doily label.

    The Canada $1 is being offered again this week on GC.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2022 7:15AM

    Learn something new every day.
    In all of the PCGS slabs I have ever owned not one of them was a Doily. :o

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    orevilleoreville Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i have seen 6 others. Sold 4 of them at very strong prices.

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    orevilleoreville Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 20, 2022 1:06PM

    your estimate of 20 seems pretty accurate as it equates to a single box of 20.

    Might be as high as 40 for two boxes of 20.

    edited: my comment does not make sense as the serial numbers are not consecutive as the coins must have been submitted on different submission sheets.

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    I think 20 to 40 is probably in the right ballpark. I've seen a half dozen over the past decade.

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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Added #12 today, was posted in the Doily thread earlier this month.

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sandman70gt gave me a heads up on this one ...... but a day late! :D

    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko.
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    FishproFishpro Posts: 381 ✭✭✭

    I picked one up tonight on HA , 1884-O Morgan with a CAC.

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