why are people interested in non playoff bowl games?
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I must admit at the beginning that I am not a big fan of the college game, but it is an honest question. for the 2019 CFB season there were 40 bowl games. three were to decide the championship playoff. Why is it that people care about the remaining 37 bowl games? they are essentially meaningless for the teams playing, other than an extra payday.
I will watch the three championship bowls, as they have direct significance for the national championship, but the other 37 seem more like exhibitions as they are not worth any more than a meaningless regular season game.
what am i missing?
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I can tell you that the names of the bowl games are getting crazier. I'm just waiting for the day that a bowl game is sponsored by a toilet paper company. It will be called the Charmin Ultra Soft Bowl and the winner will receive this trophy....
college football is stupid , why enable these fools by mentioning it?
tv money or gate receipts for 40 useless parcels of land, parking fees , hotdog and beer sales
if they could swing it they would put pee wee games on tv to sell commercial time and degenerates fools would probably bet on it , or pay to play lame fantasy pee wee football on draft kings
Well why would you watch the regular season games for that matter? Most teams are out of the championship running by the fourth or fifth week.
Forty bowl games are not worth watching other than for the local fans and the gamblers, but about half a dozen non playoff bowls were quality matchups.
Why would the NCAA not open up the playoffs like other major sports? imagine if it was like march madness? why not have a top 20 team playoff? make the whole month of December belong to CFB. many many more meaningful games and I would imagine much more money involved.
what would be the downside?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I will have to say, that some of the best football games I've ever seen are at the college level. I've seen some real Saturday night slugfests. Action packed.
Well they do have a playoff like March Madness. It is called the regular season and is spectacular. Almost a one and done format from September on.
Football is a sport that can be enjoyed on its own merit. If the athletes are of decent ability and the matchup is reasonable.
If you went to the school & your alma mater is in the Tidy Bowl, it's important to you. Bowl games give the participants 15 extra practices. Early spring enrollees are allowed to be with the team. In college you have 33-50% roster turnover yearly so any time together is important.
You really can't have a balls out Dec playoff because guys are still in class. It may not be a problem for bama or LSU but a lot of schools refer to the players as 'student-athletes' not the other way around.
Ex 49er 25yr season ticket holder & no desire to ever watch a pro game in person or on the tube. Or Notre Dame.
there is no fair playoff system that can account for some schools wallowing in corruption buying recruits etc. while other schools have no money and therefore no tv prescence no ability to buy whores and cars for high school kids , pay their families off whatever to get them to come there and play for free
everyone involved with college football should be put in front of a firing squad
Partially true Bronco. Not everyone please. It always amazes me why certain schools with backwoods culture and/or horrible weather get 5* recruits. $$$? I personally know of instances where new cars were passed out like candy bars. 'On loan' of course. Or Reggie Bush's step dad got a house. Lol.
Very very tough for high value academic schools to field a championship FB program. Respect for Stanfurd & NW.
Sad but so very true.
its not sad , we shouldn't be seeing this garbage on TV at all. Saturday is a drinking night , Sunday is for NFL (real football) watching.
Football should be 100% pedophile free , that means no college
What are you missing? Well... The short answer is ... Everything that should matter.
Not sure where to start to be concise.
The college game was around for decades before the Pro game was able to develop and even develop a following. Red Grange was one of greats that helped make it happen... Among many others. For those of you who tuned in late, I mentioned Grange and his legendary performance in October of 1924 at the time Memorial Stadium was dedicated to those that lost their lives in WW I in another recent thread... silence followed... So... Instead of rehashing what I wrote in another thread, let 's move on.
There are so many College football rivalries that have a tradition that all other sports are jealous of... The Yale Bowl seats around 75,000 and the stadium Rice plays at had a capacity of around 80,000. Yale has a football tradition that you likely are just not able to appreciate.
So to your question, there is interest in College football... Well beyond the so-called play off system designed to crown a so -called national champion. And that interest is significant even though you do not see it or have an interest in bowl games... Some that have been around for decades and others that are the product of corporate sponsorship in an effort to use the game to advance their name recognition.
While I appreciate your question... The simple answer is that there is so much more to College Football which include the traditions, the bowl traditions and a history that is compelling enough to attract corporate sponsors for bowl games. College Football will never be defined by who is the national champion. However, it will be defined by those that participate and carry out traditions that simply are not captured by rankings or numbers and crap that are captured in a sentence or a thirty second sound bite. The College game deserves more. If you are missing that...well that is okay... Just don't knock what you apparently do not appreciate.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
The excessive number of bowls lead to ridiculous situations where you have 7-5 teams playing a 6-6 teams. Really? We're rewarding teams with .500 or barely winning records - how watered down is a system like that!
your answer sounds very abstract. It is a bit confusing, you speak of the age of the game, how big the stadiums are and that there is interest in college football. I fully understand all of those things. Also that there are certain things that cannot be put into words like traditions. It still seems to me that a bowl game between two .500 teams is of no more value or interest than a preseason game or a meaningless regular season game for a team out of contention.
You allude to the fact that you do not believe the playoff system can crown a national champion? if we are not playing to see who the best team in the country is, why are we playing the games?
I guess I still dont get it. in college, The players are less talented and the game play is of a lower level than the NFL. the 37 extra bowl games just seem meaningless.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
It is not a system. And I will be the first one to suggest the number of bowl games could be reduced. However, I would also argue the conference re-alignment is pure b u l l and represents what is wrong in the NCAA. The sad reality... And it is seen throughout the country is that the conferences have abandoned tradition in favor of increasing tv market share over a greater geographic area... It is absurd. Rutgers, Maryland and Nebraska as well as Penn State simply do not have the traditional connection to the Big Ten Conference. So why are they there? The best argument is about revenue from cable and tv and getting the geography to make it happen.
The reality in all of this is there are bowl games... Too may bowl games... But why is that? And to use a 6-6 and 7-5 example points to Illinois and Cal... Strong alumni support at both schools that can support bowls with corporate sponsors. So... The answer is...
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
.................. dirty filthy money
exploit the fans , exploit the players , rape the taxpayers
end it all
How can anyone not love college football. There's nothing like a good college football game. NFL players act just as crazy off the field as college players. It seems like every year, we have to hear about some NFL player doing something stupid to get suspended. Heck, at least the college kids aren't refusing to show up and play due to not being paid enough.
Not to mention the fact that pretty much every NFL player and ex- NFL player follows the college game religiously. Some of the best football moments in history come from the college game. "The band is on the field!! The band is on the field!!" Then you have the Doug Flutie miracle hail mary bomb. The list goes on and on.
The Doug Flutie miracle was a miracle but there were many miracles before that miracle. That is one miracle that many remember because it happened within our lifetime. But what about the the other miracles we did not see? And that goes full circle back to one miracle that transpired in the first quarter on a Saturday afternoon in October about 95 years ago that set the standard that has never been repeated.
Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.
40 mostly meaningless bowl games = 80 teams fans + 40 cities hosting of interest. One game for most, two for the two of the top four teams = much lower injury risk.
20 team playoff = 40 teams fans to start, 32 after 4 wildcard games, 16 after the next round, etc. in a game that's too physical for many of the top athletes that want to play the absolute minimum to get a fat NFL draft paycheck w/o risking injury/minimizing risk. You'd see more of the top athletes with a legit shot sitting out of the whole bowl/playoff process.
Oh yeah, and $$$$$$$.
In a word:Gambling
They enjoy watching them.
you university of phoenix alum are fanatics.
i agree about the number of bowls and their subsequent names of these said numbers. but b!tching about college football being on tv? what in the hell is wrong with you? the teletubbies are probably on every saturday morning too. wanna complain about that?
these bowl games generate money for schools, generate money for the cities that host them, are televised during the holidays when, let's face it, there's not much else on and they aren't played on sunday. so there's zero interference with your horribly corrupt nfl machine. aren't the owners and players association in negotiations about lengthening their season? bah-humbug and rabble, rabble, rabble.
just change the channel or use saturday to investigate who pissed in your cheerios.
we won't even talk about college programs basically being the minor league system for your precious nfl teams, but until then, i'll be out here standing on your front lawn.
grown men on a sports forum complaining about too much football being on tv?!? hilarious.
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All you have to do is look at NFL attendance this past year & look at the empty seats compared to just a few short years ago. My only interest in in knowing anything about the Pack, Eagles, Seahawks, Rams, Redskins, or Chargers is to look to see how Rodgers, Jackson, Beast, Goff, Rivera or Allen are doing. I have zero interest in those teams.
wealthiest professional league in sports is?
highest commercial advertising sporting event is?
league with the highest cost per ticket/concession per person is?
league with the strictest blackout policy is?
league that was subsidized $3 billion for stadium construction since 2000 is?
league that refuses to accept science on brain injuries is? more importantly, why?
league that is not taking care of its players, yet wants to lengthen its season is?
league with most corporate season ticket holders is?
league that pays some of its employees less than minimum wage, $3/hour is?
league's players have the highest suicide rate & shortest median lifespan is?
leagues's players that are in worse financial shape 8 years after retiring than they were in college is? heck one nfl player has even resorted to trimming baseball cards for a living.
exploit the fans? check.
exploit the players? check.
aggressively rape the taxpayers both on subsidization, rape on the cost to attend the game and/or prohibit them from even watching via tv if they don't get their money? triple check.
you can't even buy a $16 beer at a college football game.
ncaa is certainly no saint but fails in comparison to the no fun league.
their greed and turning a blind eye is catching up to them. attendance is down & failing to acknowledge the health consequences is certainly having its effects on parents, youth football programs and talent tank. i certainly don't see mexico or europe falling for the nfl bait either. it won't be the most lucrative league for much longer. greed is good though, right?
i agree with all that , but the players at least get a paycheck.
The coaches in the NFL don't make 10 million while the players are unpaid.
I don't care about player health at all , they choose to play.
The bottom line is you don't have to watch them and I don't.
valid point.
my point on that issue though wasn't exactly about the players actual health either.
more along the lines that the nfl doesn't want to look into the science and choose to turn a blind eye bc if they open up that can of worms it could also open them up to liability suits and civil suits for the past 50 years and the next 50 years. all 80's tobacco'esque like.
there's a reason they handle everything internally and without authorities being involved, ie the mason rudolph helmet incident. he couldn't of filed charges if he wanted to. well he could, but he'd be out on the street in a second. nfl knows, from the brady suspension case, that one little deposition gets steered in that direction and they are eff'd. off field incidents are a lil different. ray rice. nfl knew and had vid the very next day. they stayed on the sidelines as to NOT get involved and didn't do so until after the case to hand down the suspension. why? so as not to get involved in any civil proceedings.
my point is, the nfl is way more "legally" corrupt and much greedier than the ncaa.
and let's not even bring in the vegas factor, league offices franchise favoritism or player/team contract holdouts.
i like football in general. especially playoff & most big time bowl games, but if i had to choose one or the other, gimme college football for several different reasons. the most pertinent is that the players still have something to prove. they haven't made it to that next level yet. accordingly their hunger, work ethic and aspirations aren't clouded or been tainted by the money. yet.
what will you be watching monday night?
nba basketball?
re-runs of coach?
i know it ain't gonna be the cowboys. 😁
They are showing reruns of Garrett standing on the side lines clapping. You can't tell if we are winning or losing......actually he probably doesn't know. It's priceless can't miss TV.
Are you at the FUN show by any chance?
are you referring to the national championship game?
sadly no. i have a real estate closing in georgia tuesday morning.
weather permitting, i get to play the par 3 course at augusta national.
more FUN than a super bowl or national championship game anyways.
now that i think about it, don't college athletes choose to play as well?
Ya and the school and the networks make millions off them and don't pay them a dime, its despicable
its ending anyway , dying out. No one is going to feel any attachment to any college from now on, being crushed under massive student loan payments while flipping burgers at wendy's sucks the nostalgia right out of it for most people.
The FUN show is a Coin Show in Florida,,,,,which I am sure you know.
Artee
Do we watch college football for the pure esthetic? That's all that interests me.
I haven't gone to a pro baseball game since the strike, A-AAA is way more fun.
As far as I'm concerned, the bowl game we went to a few years back is the Gator Bowl, not that stupid sounding Taxslayer Bowl :P I mean I can understand something like "Gator Bowl presented by Taxslayer" or "The Taxslayer Gator Bowl" but nope, they tried to call it by that stupid corporate name
And our home stadium is called Commonwealth Stadium, as in it represents us proud Kentuckians in the Commonwealth of Kentucky. I am not calling it by that stupid Kroger Field name :P
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Some of the best games in the season are the bowl games. Always some great matchups with close games going down to the last second. The college game is so much better. The players during the regular season play hurt. NFL players act like babies. I haven't watched an NFL game in years. No interest.
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Glad I just saw this . I forgot that there was the final game tonight.
Well I think it is tonight.
players playing hurt make the game better? In what way? Do you not think NFL players do the same thing every Sunday? See Edelman, Julian.
The NFL game is faster and played by more highly skilled athletes. It seems to me the reason some prefer the College game is not the product on the field, but more the pomp and circumstance and nostalgia around the games. Is it the "experience" that makes the college game more compelling for some?
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
I can say for me, college football is one of the most important part of my life honestly. Saturdays are like a religious holiday. My schedule is set, I don't leave the house, unless I'm going to a game. But honestly, this game tonight, and every national title game prior to this annually, are literally the least important game of the year. So for a twist on the original topic, I would rather watch every other game than the final one. The bowl games are all anticlimactic as is the conference championship games in early December. September through November is what truly makes college football the best sport on the planet.