@tradedollarnut said: "The 1884s were saved from the melting pot and the 1885s were undoubtedly later created by the same guy that saved the 1884s. They then went to Idler and later his son-in-law Haseltine and were presented to the market at a later date - So no surprise that they came on the market at the same time even though they were created by different avenues."
So, the PR 1884's were made as usual and all but ten destroyed. The 1885's were struck later at the Mint for whatever the reason because they could be made (something I would do if I had access to the dies ).
Then both dates were revealed to exist at the same time at a later date. Right? Does that make the 84's like the 1933 $20; and the 85's like the coins struck to trade for missing coins in the Mint collection?
@Insider2 said: @tradedollarnut said: "The 1884s were saved from the melting pot and the 1885s were undoubtedly later created by the same guy that saved the 1884s. They then went to Idler and later his son-in-law Haseltine and were presented to the market at a later date - So no surprise that they came on the market at the same time even though they were created by different avenues."
So, the PR 1884's were made as usual and all but ten destroyed. The 1885's were struck later at the Mint for whatever the reason because they could be made (something I would do if I had access to the dies ).
Then both dates were revealed to exist at the same time at a later date. Right? Does that make the 84's like the 1933 $20; and the 85's like the coins struck to trade for missing coins in the Mint collection?
@tradedollarnut said: @Insider2 said: @tradedollarnut said: "The 1884s were saved from the melting pot and the 1885s were undoubtedly later created by the same guy that saved the 1884s. They then went to Idler and later his son-in-law Haseltine and were presented to the market at a later date - So no surprise that they came on the market at the same time even though they were created by different avenues."
So, the PR 1884's were made as usual and all but ten destroyed. The 1885's were struck later at the Mint for whatever the reason because they could be made (something I would do if I had access to the dies ).
Then both dates were revealed to exist at the same time at a later date. Right? Does that make the 84's like the 1933 $20; and the 85's like the coins struck to trade for missing coins in the Mint collection?
Yes. To all.
While still holding the microphone I say: Thanks Again.
Does anybody have access to a copy of that Philadelphia Mint die book covering 1884 and 1885? As I said that Denver die book was very enlightening. I am willing to be convinced that the 1884 Proofs are perfectly legitimate strikes.
Here's a curious thing....the Mint Report for 1884 gives the coinage numbers for calendar year 1883. Proofs are included in the numbers, such as 9,039 1883 halves which represents 8,000 Uncs and 1,039 Proofs. However, the 979 1883 Proof Trades listed in the Redbook are not mentioned at all.
Roger B. Says that the Trade Dollar Proofs were kept in a separate account from about 1880 on. Would love to see that account book!
TD
P.S.: Get that mike a robe!
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@tradedollarnut said: "The 1884s were saved from the melting pot and the 1885s were undoubtedly later created by the same guy that saved the 1884s. They then went to Idler and later his son-in-law Haseltine and were presented to the market at a later date - So no surprise that they came on the market at the same time even though they were created by different avenues."
So, the PR 1884's were made as usual and all but ten destroyed. The 1885's were struck later at the Mint for whatever the reason because they could be made (something I would do if I had access to the dies
).
Then both dates were revealed to exist at the same time at a later date. Right? Does that make the 84's like the 1933 $20; and the 85's like the coins struck to trade for missing coins in the Mint collection?
Yes. To all.
I am still having a hard time envisioning buckets of proof Trade Dollars sitting around as excess slag.
While still holding the microphone I say: Thanks Again.
Does anybody have access to a copy of that Philadelphia Mint die book covering 1884 and 1885? As I said that Denver die book was very enlightening. I am willing to be convinced that the 1884 Proofs are perfectly legitimate strikes.
Here's a curious thing....the Mint Report for 1884 gives the coinage numbers for calendar year 1883. Proofs are included in the numbers, such as 9,039 1883 halves which represents 8,000 Uncs and 1,039 Proofs. However, the 979 1883 Proof Trades listed in the Redbook are not mentioned at all.
Roger B. Says that the Trade Dollar Proofs were kept in a separate account from about 1880 on. Would love to see that account book!
TD
P.S.: Get that mike a robe!
There is a story in print somewhere about Haseltine opening Idlers safe after he passed away and finding the proof 84/85 trade dollars inside