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Incorrect composition 20th Century circulation strike

BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭
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I was reviewing the set compostion for the set I have registered in the 20th Century type set with type variations, no gold, circulation strikes and noticed that for the silver Kennedy it gives the option of a 1964 or 1992-1999. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 92-99 are proof coins. Also, isn't the narrow rim SBA 1979 also a proof coin? And, not to stop there, but isn't the entry for the SMS nickel 1994 or 1998 or 1998 S Kennedy out of place in this set?
US Navy CWO3 retired. 12/81-09/04

Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.

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  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Bikingnut,

    Your questions in order:

    1. Typo -- the only coin good in that slot is the 1964 Kennedy in MS (the heading was copied from a different set)
    2. The MS versions of the 1979-P D & S Susies are narrow rim. The 1979-P (Wide Rim), and the 1980 PDS and 1981 PDS are Wide Rim coins. The 99 P & D are considered Wide Rim, but are really a third rim altogether.
    3. The Matte Finish coins are like MS commemoratives, so are included in this set. The finish is not a prooflike finish.
    Keith ™

  • WWBillmanWWBillman Posts: 900
    Bikingnut,

    What keithdagen stated is correct. I am putting together a 20th Century set but do not agree with the inclusion of the SMS coins. That is why when I decide to register my set I will not register it in the with variations. I don't feel that coin belongs there and I refuse to buy one just because PCGS decided to include it. I buy what I want not what someone tells me to.

    Bill
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    If you don't like PCGS' interpretation, there is always NGC. They include many of the With Varieties Types, but not all of the ones that PCGS has. Except that they require gold on their side of the fence.
    Keith ™

  • TypetoneTypetone Posts: 1,621 ✭✭
    Bill:

    The Registry says to buy it and so you must!!

    Greg
  • BikingnutBikingnut Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭
    I may change me set to the one without variations as well. Haven't decided yet.

    Dennis
    US Navy CWO3 retired. 12/81-09/04

    Looking for PCGS AU58 Washington's, 32-63.
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Dennis,

    To give you some history, the original Modern Type Set was renamed to the 20th Century Type set. The set allowed proof or MS coins, and required most of the minor varieties. When PCGS weighted the Set, they eliminated the varieties, and we fought tooth and nail to get them reincluded because that was the way that collectors had been gathering their pieces.

    PCGS added back the variety set, but did include the SMS coin. On the Proof side, they got the Accented Hair Kennedy added for their set requirements. And there is still a mixed set that allows proof or MS coins.

    Keith ™

  • WWBillmanWWBillman Posts: 900
    keithdagen,

    The only beef I have with the varieties set is the SMS coin. How can a variety have 2 different choices in the type coin? If the SMS is truly a variety then both should be required. Also it is a circulation strike set and I am pretty sure none of them were ever minted for circulation. They would fit better in the proof set.

    And then they don't include the 1909 VDB as a variety. That baffles me to no end.

    So because of that SMS requirement I will participate in the without varieties set. Like I said I buy the coins I want and not what PCGS tells me to. And my set will include a 1909 VDB and most of the other varieties in the with varieties set.

    By the way


    << <i>If you don't like PCGS' interpretation, there is always NGC >>



    Are you trying to get rid of me or what? LOL

    Bill
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    The only beef I have with the varieties set is the SMS coin. How can a variety have 2 different choices in the type coin? If the SMS is truly a variety then both should be required. Also it is a circulation strike set and I am pretty sure none of them were ever minted for circulation. They would fit better in the proof set.

    Bill, the SMS coin is minted in the same way that circulating modern commems are minted. It is a matte satin-like finish. The coin is definitely a Mint State coin, because the dies are not polished like on a proof coin, and you won't have a cameo effect. As far as the inclusion, PCGS is recognizing that the minting process is the Type, not the coins themselves.

    PCGS does require the 09 VDB, and recognizes that the difference between the no VDB years and the VDB on the shoulder years in the With set.

    Are you trying to get rid of me or what? LOL

    Go see who's registered currently at #1 over there and see if I'm trying to get rid of you. image
    Keith ™

  • WWBillmanWWBillman Posts: 900
    you are correct about the VDB, my mistake. I take it you refering to the modern commems that are circulation strikes. Well I guess it just boils down to 2 different views and opinions. I dont feel the process the mint uses to make a coin should be the determining factor.

    But come to think about it the silver Ikes were never minted for circulation either. Hum......

    Will have to think about this some more......

    Bill
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • keithdagenkeithdagen Posts: 2,025 ✭
    Bill,

    You reminded me when you said Silver Ikes -- PCGS justified the SMS pieces by saying that in theory, they are the same as the 76 Silver MS coins.
    Keith ™

  • WWBillmanWWBillman Posts: 900
    keithdagen,

    By the way that is a great set you have put together.

    watch out I am lurking in the shadows.

    Bill
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • CarlWohlforthCarlWohlforth Posts: 11,074 ✭
    I love those SMS coins. I think they are proofs too. But wait! There are already proofs! So they must be different... image Seriously we all agree they are SMS coins. I'm perfectly willing for them to move over to the proof side of things.
    Carl's Coins website w/ links to Carl's auctions
  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    sometimes regardless of what you give people they are never happy image

    but them sms are beauteys, im waiting on Matts ms70 right now image
    image

    Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
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