Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.
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Watching MNF last night was enjoyable because I have always been amazed at the ease with which Russell Wilson plays, the way he runs and the way he throws. While the game was being played the announcers, especially "Booger" McFarland, repeatedly talked about the fact that Wilson never gets mentioned in MVP talk. Now, I don't know whether that's true or not but it made me curious enough to look at the stats for Russell Wilson during his career thus far and the stats of Tom Brady during the same timeframe.
Those 7+ years are remarkably close, close enough that it isn't unreasonable to say they are the same. The conclusion I come to is that Tom Brady the New England QB is the better player, but probably Russell Wilson the NFL QB is better. That is to say that Tom Brady is given the edge in many peoples minds by virtue of what his Team has done and not necessarily because of his performance. That made me think, who would I rather watch play?? It is an easy choice, Russell Wilson. He also gives his Team a better chance at winning because of his mobility.
I think that sometimes we are overwhelmed by everything that goes on during a game, a season and a career that we lose sight of the Team concept and how it shapes what happens with players. In this instance, in the NFL, we tend to over-credit a QB when he's only on the field half the game and has no control over what happens when he's off the field or after he throws the ball. In that regard Tom Brady has just had better Teams, better Coaching and at times better individual players helping him. It's sort of like the QB who dumps off a little swing pass to avoid the sack and it goes for a 65 yard TD pass. The stat line looks impressive but he really didn't do much.
Anyway, I think it's an interesting view of the careers of two very good QB's. I have said this in other threads, Russell Wilson may not approach the number of SB wins that Tom Brady and the Patriots have, but when his career is finished he certainly seems to have the opportunity to "statistically" rank with the best QB's of all-time, perhaps better than Tom Brady. He just doesn't seem to get noticed because he isn't playing and winning the Super Bowl.
If I believe what I see on paper, that isn't his fault.
Al H.
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Its absolutely nonsensical to me that anyone can say Brady is the better “Player” but Wilson is a “Better” QB?? Like it sounds ridiculous and stupid. Wilson has always been a better running QB but other than that put them both in their Prime and I will take Brady all day long. I assume anyone that touts Wilson as the better “QB” thinks he is in the top 2 or 3 of all time? 😂🙄
I fell asleep in the 4th quarter who won?
Since I hogged the TV on the weekend, my wife took back control of it last night, so I was only able to sneak in a couple of plays during commercial breaks. I spent most of the night in the kitchen, looking for a missing can opener. The things I do for love.
Its absolutely nonsensical to me that anyone can say Brady is the better “Player” but Wilson is a “Better” QB??
Its absolutely nonsensical to me that anyone can say Brady is the better "player" but Wilson is a better "QB"
--- there it's fixed.
Did you take the blue pill this AM or the yellow one? Your seriously making negative sense. I’d say Wilson can run better so yea he is a better all around football player but other than that to say Brady is a better player but Wilson is a better QB is nonsense. Like complete nonsense. Wilson can tackle a guy better, he can run better but that’s about it.
I am always cautious when comparing “stats”. Winning is the ultimate goal in professional sports and is the major factor when determining success. I think Russell Wilson is a top 5 QB and very successful. Having an MVP season this year, if not for Lamar Jackson. Success is also measured by how you perform on center stage - Brady playing in 9 Super Bowls, winning 6, and having some unbelievable wins (Falcons comeback is the best of all time in my opinion). Russell has 1 SB, probably should have had 2. Stats are also inflated for teams/players that fall behind and play against prevent defenses. Look at the passing yards this past week for Brady and Prescott, huge stats; but more importantly, huge LOSSES. Either way, both are great players that I enjoy watching 🏈
You know, I was watching a interview between Tom Brady and Erin Andrews the other night, and Tom Brady was talking about Lamar Jackson. He basically said something to the effect of "One of Lamar's skill sets is his legs, so he's smart to use that skill set, but my skill set is my brain and my arm, and it's my job to find the open receiver and get him the football." So, Tom Brady is limited with his skill set pretty much. He doesn't really have the legs to take off like Wilson or Jackson. Having a limited skill set and doing what he's done with it is amazing.
Both great QBs, albeit with different styles. Both elevate their teammates, as all great players do.
I’d love to see what Wilson could do behind a decent pass blocking offensive line.
At the end of the day though, it’s hard to argue against 6 Super Bowls.
Dave
Did you take the blue pill this AM or the yellow one?
I actually took the little pink one, 5mg of lisinopril, but what does that have to do with anything?? lose your bias and open your mind to different things. looking at Wilson and Jackson, I'd say Jackson is the better player but Wilson the better QB, but Lamar Jackson has closed that gap considerably this season. last year he didn't show much with his arm.
Tom Brady may be the worst receiver in NFL history. That pass he dropped in the Super Bowl two seasons ago, my grandmother could have caught that pass. Although with her walker, she may have been tackled before reaching the end zone.
Brady can't run so he is playing with limited skill's! LOL Please...…..give us a break!
He can't run, he can't catch,
He's a one-tool quarterback
Everybody sing it!
Ok I thought you might have had some weird thing going on because you make ZERO sense in your rebuttals to me in this entire thread. Please re read your responses to me. Now this current post that I’m quoting your bringing up Lamar Jax. I think your a good dude so dont take this wrong way bud but again please re read your posts and you can see that your talking non sensical.
Haha that’s why I’d be excepting of Keets saying Wilson is the better player BUT he repeats himself saying Brady is the better player and Wilson is the better QB. He is confusing today
I couldn't understand the rest of the thread, so I figured more nonsense was needed
Their stats aren't the same - Wilson has thrown for 4000 yards just twice, Brady in the same span did it 6 times - and would have easily exceeded 4000 in the 7th but for his bogus suspension costing him 1/4 of the season. Wilson get sacked nearly twice as often - 8.4% of the time vs 4.8% for Brady - for their careers. And, no, those aren't because of his line. He took a brutal sack Monday night because he simply held the ball for about half an hour before getting sacked. Wilson fumbles a lot - 2 every 3 games. Brady fumbles well under 1 every other game.
What it boils down to is this: The first moment everybody thinks of when it comes to Wilson's career is the game-ending INT in the Super Bowl. What's telling about that? Everybody saying putting the game in his hands was the wrong decision. Think about THAT.
Brady isn't as good as Wilson now but he's been better over the last 7 years and A LOT better for his career.
p.s. Pete made the right call and the right play was called. Wilson just threw a poor pass.
The real question is what is/was the status of your cornbread dressing 🤔
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The first moment everybody thinks of when it comes to Wilson's career is the game-ending INT in the Super Bowl.
every time I think of that play I can't believe it wasn't PI. sure, the defender has every right to the ball but Butler knocks the receiver off his feet to get to the ball just as the receiver is about to catch it. that's what I see every time I see the play.
Butler was hit by the receiver, he was at an angle and had one foot on the ground that’s why he bounced off him. Trust me Pete Carroll would have been screaming bloody murder as would the receiver if it was offensive PI
That was a clear INT by Butler who as Paul said was hit by the receiver.
What is with all this nit picking with the Pat's and Brady??!!
There's no way a guy with this body makes it in the NFL
I never did find it. It is unbelievable. The blood, and sweat, and tears I put into finding that dang cornbread dressing, all for nothing. My wife didn't like it, but I cooked up a big batch of Tater Tots. Personally I liked the Taters better.
Booger McFarland.
Brady and Wilson are both great quarterbacks, but I would have to go with Brady if I were building a team.
Booger McFarland.
Whoosh here comes keets to call a penalty on a play that happened 5 years ago
@keets have another 3 fingers of Scotch.......you'll be alright.
Anyone do a wellness check on Keets today? 🤷♂️
I'm Bored to tears today. I'm looking forward to football this weekend.
He's currently locked in a padded room endlessly repeating:
He can't run, he can't catch,
He's a one-tool quarterback
Russell Wilson is a phenomenal quarterback. But he is not on the level of Brady. No one is.
Please correct me if my numbers are wrong.
This is Wilson's eighth season. As of today he has won 85 games as a starter. Four games left.
In his first eight seasons in the league, Brady won 86 games as a starter. Brady's first start came three games into his second season.
Edit for spelling
Russell Wilson is the first QB in NFL history to lead his team to a winning record in each of his first eight seasons.
Dynamite, right out of the game. Let’s see if he can run this up to sixteen straight!
Dave
He is a great QB AND Football Player. 100%. He is a notch below Lamar Jax this year which is nothing to be ashamed about
Thing is - I would take Wilson over Lamar because........some day he is going to come out of his spin move running and run smack into the grill of a Mack truck with a LB License Plate Number on it.......and wake up next week no knowing who he is. Just saying.
Lots of people are saying that but really he is a smart runner about 50% of the time, the other 50% of the time he thinks he is a RB