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Ike with clip real or pmd?

VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭
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Was in wild thoughts? What are specific pick up points 1 way or another? Thanks in advance rj


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  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    If legit what would value be?

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,693 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks cut (PMD)

  • gonzergonzer Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not of this Mint.

  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like PMD, but it would help greatly to have the side opposite the clip shown in focus.

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,671 ✭✭✭✭✭

    read this thread on Blakesley effect

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/463863/clipped-planchet-error-primer-the-blakesley-effect

    looking at the edge and rim, I wonder if the coin is a counterfeit

  • lcoopielcoopie Posts: 8,873 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    read this thread on Blakesley effect

    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/463863/clipped-planchet-error-primer-the-blakesley-effect

    looking at the edge and rim, I wonder if the coin is a counterfeit

    After reading, let us know what you think.

    LCoopie = Les
  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like PMD with that lip at the edge of the clip

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  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,443 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree. Fake clip.

    "Error from mint" written on the 2x2 was the first red flag for me. :p

    No Bkakesly Effect. Not all clips have it but on one that size I'd expect something.

    Plus the edges if the clip at the rim are too clean and sharp.

  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am not ready to dismiss this one quite yet. Can you show images of the following:

    • rim opposite the clip on the reverse, as requested by others, to look for the Blakesley effect
    • the edge of the coin, showing both the clipped edge and the edge on either side of it. On a genuine clad clip you should see inversion of the clad layers.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,926 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sean, I don't see the inverted copper core in the photos.

    The copper core seems to be 'dead center', which would mean
    it's a man-made clip.

    A better photo of the inside of the clip would be helpful, I agree.

    On the other hand, I do like the extra raised rim area on each
    side of the clip......

    Wish the OP's photos were better, clearer, and showed the inside clip.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    no Blakesley effect

    Frank

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  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2019 9:54AM

    @Treashunt said:
    no Blakesley effect

    In my limited experience,many genuine clips do not show this effect. @FredWeinberg

  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We need to see close up photos of the "AR" in DOLLAR to look for metal flow to confirm one way or the other.

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,926 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, that's a fact. Not all clips show the Blakesley Effect.

    A straight-on photo of the inside of the clip would be
    the best verification point, at least for this piece, imo.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I see evidence of metal flow at the rim next to the clip, I cropped parts of the OP's images and highlighted this below:

    Pending any additional pics, I am leaning toward this being a genuine Mint error. If so, I would estimate the value would be in the $25-30 range for a clip that size.

    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2019 4:57PM

    That's a legit clip. Look at the design rim near the clip (as sean has illustrated). The last A in AMERICA and the AR in DOLLAR have severe metal flow too, which is the biggest indicator in my opinion.

  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    Value if real? See only other pics I have...
    Thanks to all for weighing in and super informative discourse

  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    Just noticed retained customer at 1 pm reverse?

  • VernoVerno Posts: 327 ✭✭✭

    Customer??? Cud 1PM ...I will purchase and take awesome pictures for all....

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