Tom Watson almost (and, frankly, should have) won the British Open back in '09 at the ripe old age of 59. would have been the greatest achievement in the history of sports had it happened,
Not even close.
tell you what, give me your choice.........then i will objectively compare it to an almost 60-yr-old man winning a major championship against the world's greatest golfers. guys, mind you, who were anywhere from 15-40 years younger and hit the ball 40-50 yards farther off the tee & used 4-5 clubs less into greens on average. if you know anything about golf -- and i will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you do -- then no one needs to explain to you what a disadvantage Watson had on every single hole.............and still almost pulled off the unthinkable.
if you can even sniff that, i'll gladly tip my cap........but you won't be able to
Yes I know a little about golf. My dad loved to golf and I joined him often for a round. I hit the ball a lot farther than he did and he beat me every time, even into his late 50's because he had a very nice short game and was solid on the greens.
Watson was one of the all time greats, I just don't think him shooting 2 under for the Tournament is that great. I have heard of several older players who shoot a round under their age.
Too bad he didn't win. It would have been very special, but to say it would have been the greatest achievement in sports history is way too much. His first round 65 was pretty amazing.
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Championships are won by teams, therefore the question is moot.
How many slugs have limped in to get a WS ring for having played a paltry # of games. There are however stars within each Championship series or Super Bowl game that are recognized by winning the MVP of the series or game.
Baseball was mentioned sort of as a sport whereby a great player doesn't have a discernible effect on the rest of the team.
Where was that mentioned? i don't see anything in this thread about great baseball players not having a discernible effect on the rest of the team.
Pitchers help their team batters as well. If you know your pitcher is going to hold the opponent down in runs, you can relax a bit more at the plate, and a relaxed batter usually hits better.
This is highly questionable, at best. What kind of hitter is thinking about their team's pitcher when they're at the plate?!?!
Tom Watson almost (and, frankly, should have) won the British Open back in '09 at the ripe old age of 59. would have been the greatest achievement in the history of sports had it happened,
Not even close.
tell you what, give me your choice.........then i will objectively compare it to an almost 60-yr-old man winning a major championship against the world's greatest golfers. guys, mind you, who were anywhere from 15-40 years younger and hit the ball 40-50 yards farther off the tee & used 4-5 clubs less into greens on average. if you know anything about golf -- and i will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you do -- then no one needs to explain to you what a disadvantage Watson had on every single hole.............and still almost pulled off the unthinkable.
if you can even sniff that, i'll gladly tip my cap........but you won't be able to
Yes I know a little about golf. My dad loved to golf and I joined him often for a round. I hit the ball a lot farther than he did and he beat me every time, even into his late 50's because he had a very nice short game and was solid on the greens.
Watson was one of the all time greats, I just don't think him shooting 2 under for the Tournament is that great. I have heard of several older players who shoot a round under their age.
Too bad he didn't win. It would have been very special, but to say it would have been the greatest achievement in sports history is way too much. His first round 65 was pretty amazing.
The winner also shot two under, the conditions were awful Friday through Sunday with winds and rain. Considering no one over 48 years old has ever won a Major (and that was over 50 years ago), extending that by 11 years would be insane. Still waiting for what would beat that ...
@LarkinCollector said:
The winner also shot two under, the conditions were awful Friday through Sunday with winds and rain. Considering no one over 48 years old has ever won a Major (and that was over 50 years ago), extending that by 11 years would be insane. Still waiting for what would beat that ...
The US Olympic hockey team winning gold in 1980 was far greater than Watson winning would have been.
I just don't think him shooting 2 under for the Tournament is that great
please do not start blurting out stuff like this without including context, otherwise i will start calling you JoeDimezai
-2 on its face is not overly impressive. -2 in brutal conditions when you're 59-years-old and no one else in the field except Stewart Cink matches you.......a field, mind you, that included the likes of Rory McIlroy (+8), Tiger Woods (MC), Adam Scott (MC), Matt Kuchar (MC), Louis Oosthuizen (MC), Bubba Watson (MC), Greg Norman (MC), and Dustin Johnson (MC)..........is completely off the thermospheric charts.
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
Don't think the forum has had so many debates going at the same time.
Good work fellas.
And now my two cents. A Watson win would have been the all time greatest golf feat. Track and field guys still salivate over the 4 minute mile. Horse racing guys, it is Secretariat at Belmont.
Tom Watson almost (and, frankly, should have) won the British Open back in '09 at the ripe old age of 59. would have been the greatest achievement in the history of sports had it happened,
Not even close.
tell you what, give me your choice.........then i will objectively compare it to an almost 60-yr-old man winning a major championship against the world's greatest golfers. guys, mind you, who were anywhere from 15-40 years younger and hit the ball 40-50 yards farther off the tee & used 4-5 clubs less into greens on average. if you know anything about golf -- and i will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you do -- then no one needs to explain to you what a disadvantage Watson had on every single hole.............and still almost pulled off the unthinkable.
if you can even sniff that, i'll gladly tip my cap........but you won't be able to
Yes I know a little about golf. My dad loved to golf and I joined him often for a round. I hit the ball a lot farther than he did and he beat me every time, even into his late 50's because he had a very nice short game and was solid on the greens.
Watson was one of the all time greats, I just don't think him shooting 2 under for the Tournament is that great. I have heard of several older players who shoot a round under their age.
Too bad he didn't win. It would have been very special, but to say it would have been the greatest achievement in sports history is way too much. His first round 65 was pretty amazing.
The winner also shot two under, the conditions were awful Friday through Sunday with winds and rain. Considering no one over 48 years old has ever won a Major (and that was over 50 years ago), extending that by 11 years would be insane. Still waiting for what would beat that ...
Gordy Howe playing 80 hockey games at the age of 51.
I just don't think him shooting 2 under for the Tournament is that great
please do not start blurting out stuff like this without including context, otherwise i will start calling you JoeDimezai
-2 on its face is not overly impressive. -2 in brutal conditions when you're 59-years-old and no one else in the field except Stewart Cink matches you.......a field, mind you, that included the likes of Rory McIlroy (+8), Tiger Woods (MC), Adam Scott (MC), Matt Kuchar (MC), Louis Oosthuizen (MC), Bubba Watson (MC), Greg Norman (MC), and Dustin Johnson (MC)..........is completely off the thermospheric charts.
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
No need to insult me.
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I just don't think him shooting 2 under for the Tournament is that great
please do not start blurting out stuff like this without including context, otherwise i will start calling you JoeDimezai
-2 on its face is not overly impressive. -2 in brutal conditions when you're 59-years-old and no one else in the field except Stewart Cink matches you.......a field, mind you, that included the likes of Rory McIlroy (+8), Tiger Woods (MC), Adam Scott (MC), Matt Kuchar (MC), Louis Oosthuizen (MC), Bubba Watson (MC), Greg Norman (MC), and Dustin Johnson (MC)..........is completely off the thermospheric charts.
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
No need to insult me.
wasn't my intent. if i was attempting to insult you, i would have called you JoeTrubiskyzai.
Howe playing 80 @ 51 is a good one. what were his stats?
I just don't think him shooting 2 under for the Tournament is that great
please do not start blurting out stuff like this without including context, otherwise i will start calling you JoeDimezai
-2 on its face is not overly impressive. -2 in brutal conditions when you're 59-years-old and no one else in the field except Stewart Cink matches you.......a field, mind you, that included the likes of Rory McIlroy (+8), Tiger Woods (MC), Adam Scott (MC), Matt Kuchar (MC), Louis Oosthuizen (MC), Bubba Watson (MC), Greg Norman (MC), and Dustin Johnson (MC)..........is completely off the thermospheric charts.
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
No need to insult me.
wasn't my intent. if i was attempting to insult you, i would have called you JoeTrubiskyzai.
Howe playing 80 @ 51 is a good one. what were his stats?
@galaxy27 said:
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
It's far more impressive. Not just "a group of pros" - the best team in the world.
@galaxy27 said:
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
It's far more impressive. Not just "a group of pros" - the best team in the world.
In a single game, anything can happen and it did that day. Definitely a great sporting memory and a source of national pride. Remember the FC Dallas U-15 Academy team destroying the USWNT?
Watson required 4 consecutive days compiling the tied for top score and lost in a playoff. The Howe @ 51 is the only competition I've seen mentioned in this thread.
@galaxy27 said:
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
It's far more impressive. Not just "a group of pros" - the best team in the world.
In a single game, anything can happen and it did that day. Definitely a great sporting memory and a source of national pride. Remember the FC Dallas U-15 Academy team destroying the USWNT?
Watson required 4 consecutive days compiling the tied for top score and lost in a playoff. The Howe @ 51 is the only competition I've seen mentioned in this thread.
Golf is unique because an "old man" can compete with younger players. Secondly, the bad weather conditions were in fact an advantage to Watson as those conditions "even the playing field" in golf. He shot an amazing first round and then played about at par, no one else could catch him. I wish he would have won.
To call it " the greatest achievement in the history of sports" is beyond preposterous. To call it " the greatest achievement in the history of golf" would have been realistic.
What's next? An old bowler rolling a 900 series gets nominated for the "greatest achievement in the history of sports"?
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Golf is unique because an "old man" can compete with younger players.
no, they can't. two words for you: champions tour
Secondly, the bad weather conditions were in fact an advantage to Watson as those conditions "even the playing field" in golf.
this is beyond laughable
To call it " the greatest achievement in the history of sports" is beyond preposterous.
your first job is to go scroll up and read the list of names Watson trounced in that tournament. he beat Rory McIlroy (the best golfer on the planet right now) by 10 shots. some dude named Tiger Woods didn't even make the cut. a litany of other major winners didn't play the weekend either.
your next job is to come up with a better nomination. if Howe was the best you could come up with, you need to try much, much harder. and please do not consult tabe, because his was worse than yours.
Golf is unique because an "old man" can compete with younger players.
no, they can't. two words for you: champions tour
Secondly, the bad weather conditions were in fact an advantage to Watson as those conditions "even the playing field" in golf.
this is beyond laughable
To call it " the greatest achievement in the history of sports" is beyond preposterous.
your first job is to go scroll up and read the list of names Watson trounced in that tournament. he beat Rory McIlroy (the best golfer on the planet right now) by 10 shots. some dude named Tiger Woods didn't even make the cut. a litany of other major winners didn't play the weekend either.
your next job is to come up with a better nomination. if Howe was the best you could come up with, you need to try much, much harder.
In the first place Golf isn't even a sport, it's a game, so your nomination, while amusing, doesn't even qualify.
Secondly if a 70+ year old man can shoot a round of golf UNDER his age, and it happens, I would say that proves an old man CAN compete with a young player. Your not playing the other guys, your playing the course btw. Champions tour players can play in regular tour events, although they don't often win.
How about a 70 year old guy taking a hand-off in pro football, impossible.
I have heard on MANY occasions the announcers of golf tournaments on TV say that bad weather levels the playing field, so laugh all you want, that's where I got it.
An old guy plays golf for 4 days at 2 under par and you get excited about it. YAWN. Oh, sorry, it was raining too. Must have been as tough as playing football in sub zero weather.
Joe you just need to stop dude.........your lunacy is out of control now. you may have set the record for the greatest number of asinine things said in one post ^
@galaxy27 said:
Joe you just need to stop dude.........your lunacy is out of control now. you may have set the record for the greatest number of asinine things said in one post ^
Don't stop me I am on a roll.
Bobby Fischer over Spassky in chess? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
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@galaxy27 said:
Joe you just need to stop dude.........your lunacy is out of control now. you may have set the record for the greatest number of asinine things said in one post ^
Don't stop me I am on a roll.
Bobby Fischer over Spassky in chess? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
Fisher cards sell really well. I've been surprised at the quantity and prices they've gone for.
I'll add Cal Ripken's and Brett Favre's streaks. Any of Ted Williams seasons, but especially his last. Gretzky's FOUR 200 point seasons, Bobby Orr. Don Larson's W.S. perfect game.
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@galaxy27 said:
Joe you just need to stop dude.........your lunacy is out of control now. you may have set the record for the greatest number of asinine things said in one post ^
Don't stop me I am on a roll.
Bobby Fischer over Spassky in chess? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
Fisher cards sell really well. I've been surprised at the quantity and prices they've gone for.
I'm winning you over, aren't I?
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@galaxy27 said:
Joe you just need to stop dude.........your lunacy is out of control now. you may have set the record for the greatest number of asinine things said in one post ^
They pale in comparison to your comment. I actually believed you were serious at one point.
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@galaxy27 said:
Joe you just need to stop dude.........your lunacy is out of control now. you may have set the record for the greatest number of asinine things said in one post ^
Don't stop me I am on a roll.
Bobby Fischer over Spassky in chess? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
@galaxy27 said:
Joe you just need to stop dude.........your lunacy is out of control now. you may have set the record for the greatest number of asinine things said in one post ^
Don't stop me I am on a roll.
Bobby Fischer over Spassky in chess? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
Impressed that you spelled both correctly.
I was pretty sure on Fischer, but had to look up Spassky.
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@galaxy27 said:
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
It's far more impressive. Not just "a group of pros" - the best team in the world.
In a single game, anything can happen and it did that day. Definitely a great sporting memory and a source of national pride. Remember the FC Dallas U-15 Academy team destroying the USWNT?
Watson required 4 consecutive days compiling the tied for top score and lost in a playoff. The Howe @ 51 is the only competition I've seen mentioned in this thread.
Beating the Soviets was 1 game. Winning the gold was not.
Watson's near-accomplishment was nice but, at the end of the day, his competition has no impact on his performance. Tiger can't make Watson miss a shot. That's how an old man is able to compete. In hockey, your opponent can literally stop you from doing things. Wildly different.
@galaxy27 said:
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer gative.
It's far more impressive. Not just "a group of pros" - the best team in the world.
In a single game, anything can happen and it did that day. Definitely a great sporting memory and a source of national pride. Remember the FC Dallas U-15 Academy team destroying the USWNT?
Watson required 4 consecutive days compiling the tied for top score and lost in a playoff. The Howe @ 51 is the only competition I've seen mentioned in this thread.
Beating the Soviets was 1 game. Winning the gold was not.
Watson's near-accomplishment was nice but, at the end of the day, his competition has no impact on his performance. Tiger can't make Watson miss a shot. That's how an old man is able to compete. In hockey, your opponent can literally stop you from doing things. Wildly different.
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Yes I know a little about golf. My dad loved to golf and I joined him often for a round. I hit the ball a lot farther than he did and he beat me every time, even into his late 50's because he had a very nice short game and was solid on the greens.
Watson was one of the all time greats, I just don't think him shooting 2 under for the Tournament is that great. I have heard of several older players who shoot a round under their age.
Too bad he didn't win. It would have been very special, but to say it would have been the greatest achievement in sports history is way too much. His first round 65 was pretty amazing.
Championships are won by teams, therefore the question is moot.
How many slugs have limped in to get a WS ring for having played a paltry # of games. There are however stars within each Championship series or Super Bowl game that are recognized by winning the MVP of the series or game.
Where was that mentioned? i don't see anything in this thread about great baseball players not having a discernible effect on the rest of the team.
This is highly questionable, at best. What kind of hitter is thinking about their team's pitcher when they're at the plate?!?!
The winner also shot two under, the conditions were awful Friday through Sunday with winds and rain. Considering no one over 48 years old has ever won a Major (and that was over 50 years ago), extending that by 11 years would be insane. Still waiting for what would beat that ...
The US Olympic hockey team winning gold in 1980 was far greater than Watson winning would have been.
please do not start blurting out stuff like this without including context, otherwise i will start calling you JoeDimezai
-2 on its face is not overly impressive. -2 in brutal conditions when you're 59-years-old and no one else in the field except Stewart Cink matches you.......a field, mind you, that included the likes of Rory McIlroy (+8), Tiger Woods (MC), Adam Scott (MC), Matt Kuchar (MC), Louis Oosthuizen (MC), Bubba Watson (MC), Greg Norman (MC), and Dustin Johnson (MC)..........is completely off the thermospheric charts.
as for Tabe's contribution, if you want to think that a group of amateurs beating a group of pros (like an amateur besting a professional has never happen before?) is more impressive than a completely-past-his-prime, all-by-his-lonesome-except-for-his-looper old man coming within 8 feet of beating the world's best 150 golfers for one of the sport's most coveted trophies, then that's your prer
gative.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Don't think the forum has had so many debates going at the same time.
Good work fellas.
And now my two cents. A Watson win would have been the all time greatest golf feat. Track and field guys still salivate over the 4 minute mile. Horse racing guys, it is Secretariat at Belmont.
You get the idea.
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Gordy Howe playing 80 hockey games at the age of 51.
No need to insult me.
wasn't my intent. if i was attempting to insult you, i would have called you JoeTrubiskyzai.
Howe playing 80 @ 51 is a good one. what were his stats?
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
15 goals, 26 assists, 41 points
More impressive - 96 points at age 49.
It's far more impressive. Not just "a group of pros" - the best team in the world.
Joe louis vs Max Schmeling II was huge.
In a single game, anything can happen and it did that day. Definitely a great sporting memory and a source of national pride. Remember the FC Dallas U-15 Academy team destroying the USWNT?
Watson required 4 consecutive days compiling the tied for top score and lost in a playoff. The Howe @ 51 is the only competition I've seen mentioned in this thread.
Wilt's 100 point game (also had 25 rebounds)
Ali beating Foreman
May 25, 1935: Ruth smashes 3 homers in final hurrah
Golf is unique because an "old man" can compete with younger players. Secondly, the bad weather conditions were in fact an advantage to Watson as those conditions "even the playing field" in golf. He shot an amazing first round and then played about at par, no one else could catch him. I wish he would have won.
To call it " the greatest achievement in the history of sports" is beyond preposterous. To call it " the greatest achievement in the history of golf" would have been realistic.
What's next? An old bowler rolling a 900 series gets nominated for the "greatest achievement in the history of sports"?
no, they can't. two words for you: champions tour
this is beyond laughable
your first job is to go scroll up and read the list of names Watson trounced in that tournament. he beat Rory McIlroy (the best golfer on the planet right now) by 10 shots. some dude named Tiger Woods didn't even make the cut. a litany of other major winners didn't play the weekend either.
your next job is to come up with a better nomination. if Howe was the best you could come up with, you need to try much, much harder. and please do not consult tabe, because his was worse than yours.
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
In the first place Golf isn't even a sport, it's a game, so your nomination, while amusing, doesn't even qualify.
Secondly if a 70+ year old man can shoot a round of golf UNDER his age, and it happens, I would say that proves an old man CAN compete with a young player. Your not playing the other guys, your playing the course btw. Champions tour players can play in regular tour events, although they don't often win.
How about a 70 year old guy taking a hand-off in pro football, impossible.
I have heard on MANY occasions the announcers of golf tournaments on TV say that bad weather levels the playing field, so laugh all you want, that's where I got it.
An old guy plays golf for 4 days at 2 under par and you get excited about it. YAWN. Oh, sorry, it was raining too. Must have been as tough as playing football in sub zero weather.
Whats next Tiddlywinks? https://youtube.com/watch?v=09TSwVSl3ZM
I know Competitive Eating! Those guys are the BOMB! Greatest athletes EVER!
Joe you just need to stop dude.........your lunacy is out of control now. you may have set the record for the greatest number of asinine things said in one post ^
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
It is more likely that he would take a leg off.
Don't stop me I am on a roll.
Bobby Fischer over Spassky in chess? THINK ABOUT IT!!!!
HEY, I forgot all about synchronized swimming! That's really hard to do, there the waters not just dripping on you, you are TOTALLY submerged. WOW!
Fisher cards sell really well. I've been surprised at the quantity and prices they've gone for.
Were you too busy laughing to see;
Wilts 100 point 25 rebound game.
Ali beating Foreman.
I'll add Cal Ripken's and Brett Favre's streaks. Any of Ted Williams seasons, but especially his last. Gretzky's FOUR 200 point seasons, Bobby Orr. Don Larson's W.S. perfect game.
I'm winning you over, aren't I?
They pale in comparison to your comment. I actually believed you were serious at one point.
Impressed that you spelled both correctly.
Odd that Jesse Owens has not been mentioned.
I was pretty sure on Fischer, but had to look up Spassky.
Beating the Soviets was 1 game. Winning the gold was not.
Watson's near-accomplishment was nice but, at the end of the day, his competition has no impact on his performance. Tiger can't make Watson miss a shot. That's how an old man is able to compete. In hockey, your opponent can literally stop you from doing things. Wildly different.
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you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet