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WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 28, 2019 4:54PM in PCGS Set Registry Forum

I notice there is a guy(s) with a LOWER GPA than me and equal percentage of completeness, yet his set rating and rank are higher than me. Why is this?

“I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

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  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Bonus points would be my guess.

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Currin said:
    Bonus points would be my guess.

    Yes, but from what? What can give extra bonus points?

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • CurrinCurrin Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess would be Bonus Points for Top Populations : Coins tied for the highest grade with none graded higher = 1 bonus point. Coins that are the single highest graded with none graded higher = 2 bonus points.

    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/rules

    My 20th Century Type Set, With Type Variations---started : 9/22/1997 ---- completed : 1/7/2004

    My 20th Century Gold Major Design Type Set ---started : 11/17/1997 ---- completed : 1/21/2004
  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 29, 2019 8:36PM

    The rankings order are based on “Set Rating”, which is different than GPA, and also different than GPA with Bonuses. If you look at the Set Composition, many sets provide a “weighting”, which assigns higher weight numbers to the more difficult/expensive coins in a set. So in other words, the collector who has a lower GPA than you, and possibly even a lower percentage completion than you, can still be ranked higher than you if the coins in their set have more of the “tougher” coins than you. Even if you were both at 100% completion, he/she could still be ranked higher than you with a lower GPA if they have higher grades on the tougher coins, and lower grades on the easier coins. Let me know if this is not clear, and I’ll then give a specific example of the specific set you’re questioning.

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2019 2:48PM

    @winesteven said:
    The rankings order are based on “Set Rating”, which is different than GPA, and also different than GPA with Bonuses. If you look at the Set Composition, many sets provide a “weighting”, which assigns higher weight numbers to the more difficult/expensive coins in a set. So in other words, the collector who has a lower GPA than you, and possibly even a lower percentage completion than you, can still be ranked higher than you if the coins in their set have more of the “tougher” coins than you. Even if you were both at 100% completion, he/she could still be ranked higher than you with a lower GPA if they have higher grades on the tougher coins, and lower grades on the easier coins. Let me know if this is not clear, and I’ll then give a specific example of the specific set you’re questioning.

    Excellent explanation. That's kind of what I expected....Thank You!

    He has an XF 1933-S (toughest date from 1933-1947) and I do not, so that must be it, as almost ALL of my other coins are graded higher than his. The 1933-S and 1937-D are the only coins that I don't have in my PCGS set, as mine are NGC coins, so they are obviously not allowed in my PCGS only set.

    Once I find a PCGS MS 65 and 66 example of those two; I will be 100% complete and will move up a lot in rank. I will, of course, keep my NGC coins. Thanks again!

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan - As I'm sure you know, don't be in a rush, and especially, don't settle for coins to fill those last two slots. Human nature will work against you, so use your head, and when you do fill those slots, make sure those two key coins are VERY attractive, even if that means overpaying a bit. Quality is not cheap!

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven said:
    @Walkerfan - As I'm sure you know, don't be in a rush, and especially, don't settle for coins to fill those last two slots. Human nature will work against you, so use your head, and when you do fill those slots, make sure those two key coins are VERY attractive, even if that means overpaying a bit. Quality is not cheap!

    Thanks, that's great advice and I fully agree.

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2019 4:31PM

    @winesteven Funny that you say that, as I've passed on A LOT of 1933-S coins in 65. I REALLY like my N64 that I bought almost 15 years ago. I am going to be VERY selective, as I want a NICE P65 and they are not cheap, but they are out there. As for the 1937-D.......I passed on a beautifully original and sharp P65 OGH....STILL kicking myself over that one! It is in a P66 holder, now, and have not seen it in almost 7 years. It is likely in STRONG hands. The hunt continues......

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Walkerfan said:
    @winesteven Funny that you say that, as I've passed on A LOT of 1933-S coins in 65. I REALLY like my N64 that I bought almost 15 years ago. I am going to be VERY selective, as I want a NICE P65 and they are not cheap, but they are out there. As for the 1937-D.......I passed on a beautifully original and sharp P65 OGH....STILL kicking myself over that one! It is in a P66 holder, now, and have not seen it in almost 7 years. It is likely in STRONG hands. The hunt continues......

    If your 33-S n64 is that nice maybe it would cross to PCGS or even +. Why not do that a and save buying a coin you already have?

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 31, 2019 11:29AM

    @DIMEMAN said:

    @Walkerfan said:
    @winesteven Funny that you say that, as I've passed on A LOT of 1933-S coins in 65. I REALLY like my N64 that I bought almost 15 years ago. I am going to be VERY selective, as I want a NICE P65 and they are not cheap, but they are out there. As for the 1937-D.......I passed on a beautifully original and sharp P65 OGH....STILL kicking myself over that one! It is in a P66 holder, now, and have not seen it in almost 7 years. It is likely in STRONG hands. The hunt continues......

    If your 33-S n64 is that nice maybe it would cross to PCGS or even +. Why not do that a and save buying a coin you already have?

    It's easier for me to just buy another coin. I am going to get a PCGS MS 65 this time. Besides, there are no guarantees that my coin will upgrade or even cross, although it definitely SHOULD. I believe that there is bias. Besides, It is a PQ, undisturbed beauty, in an old NGC holder, that I don't want to lose, so I am going to just leave it be.

    “I may not believe in myself but I believe in what I’m doing” ~Jimmy Page~

    My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947)

    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

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