On the other hand I have another buddy who will play rags a lot after a decent pre flop bet and he absolutely knows how to play the game well. His famous words are “Eh it’s a scratch ticket”
Give me a table loaded with math-only guys, I'll clean up every time. One's who truly have no idea what they're doing, can't be read, since half the time they don't even know what hand or possibilities they have.
@perkdog said:
No question about it but the point is a guy who doesn’t know what he is doing will play 7-2 or 9-4 and get into a big hand with it. A numbers player would never in a million years figure some idiot would be in a big hand with a decent pre flop raise with rags
Over at Cardplayer website there is an odds calculator. I haven't looked at it in a long time but it's interesting that the pre-flop odds advantage of AA over 27os, I think is around 89% give or take a little bit. So around 1 out of 10 times even the lowest pre-flop hand can beat the highest pre-flop hand.
People always complain about their pocket aces getting cracked, but usually if there's say around four other players in the pot and the cards all get dealt to the river, the odds are usually less than 50% that the AA will be the best hand.
They started a new daily tourney over at AOL poker about a month ago which attracts around 400 to 500 players. Lots of fun but very tough to finish first. I've played around ten times and usually get in the money but haven't won it yet. The best I've done so far is second place.
In my second place finish, I go into heads up and the opponent has around a 4 to 1 chip lead. Second hand dealt, I get a beautiful AA and go all-in. Opponent calls and shows AJ and I'm lovin' it. I'll get the double up and then the chip stacks are much closer. SOB sucks out with a J on the flop, and J on the turn.
I was hissed off. I had invested over three hours of time playing this tourney and really wanted to win it.....but that's poker.
You guys are right - it's mostly all about reading the other players.
I've watched the pros on TV and on the Youtube videos. The one consistency I've observed by the best of the best is their flexibility. Sure they sometimes get beat. But some of the lay downs they make are amazing, as well as some of the hero calls. Some of those hands they lay down or call without question is them getting the proper read on the opponent and making the right decision based on that.
An opponent could play tight for an hour, then loose for the next hour. There are so many factors involved regarding that and the best of the best just seem to pick up on it with their ability to adjust and adapt to the ever changing play at the table.
I've played entire hold'em home games without ever looking at my cards until the turn is shown unless there's an all-in. It's fun to work on reads and playing position poker (and see if anyone else at the table even notices). In many situations, your own hole cards are irrelevant.
@hammer1 said:
negreanu shocks me every time when he tells opponents, BOTH their hole cards.
I've watched Negreanu a lot and seen him do that.
Some of those top players, when they're playing their best poker, truly frighten me. The frightening thing is that even if you would get better cards against these top players, they just have a knack of knowing when to shove to get you to fold the best hand.
So even if you get good cards, you can still lose to these guys. If you get equal cards or bad cards, then they eat you alive.
@LarkinCollector said:
Give me some Ivey vs. Negreanu heads up NL cash game, $2m buy-in, winner take all, for must watch TV.
Ten years ago that would be a superb match, and even today it would still be a fun match to watch.
I don't read about it in detail, but I know from general news that Negreanu has had his various ups and downs the past five years or so. Ivey has had some terrible problems that anyone can Google and find out about it.
The bottom line is that recently Ivey sought backers for a 50k buy-in tourney. That's all i recall and perhaps there was a reason for this other than Ivey being broke. I know 50k is a lot of money but we're talking Phil Ivey here. Phil Ivey used to sneeze at a "measly" 50k.
I hope Ivey is okay because he always won with class, lost with class as well. You have to like and respect that in a poker player.
The best player, in my opinion, who I ever saw on TV was Chip Reese.
His legend is well known, but there isn't much video of him playing for various reasons.
However there is one video of Reese playing Phil Hellmuth heads-up. Yes, I realize that Hellmuth isn't exactly the best cash game player, but he's not chopped liver either. However Reese just absolutely ate Hellmuth alive, playing perhaps the finest poker I've ever seen.
That match with Hellmuth wasn't an aberration. From what I've read and heard others say, this was the way Chip Reese always played poker.
Hellmuth is pretty easy to tilt since he's so full of himself. He's the odds guy who storms off every time the cards don't go his way (and hasn't figured out how to adapt to the modern game at all).
@LarkinCollector said:
Hellmuth is pretty easy to tilt since he's so full of himself. He's the odds guy who storms off every time the cards don't go his way (and hasn't figured out how to adapt to the modern game at all).
Hellmuth is generally over matched with the best players in cash games. His major flaw is trying to make too many hero calls when an opponent goes all-in.
However when he plays against lesser skilled players, his talent is evident. I've seen him play on Live at the Bike, and against that lesser competition, he usually does well.
Likely why he does good in tourneys is that there are lots of below average players in tourneys and in these tourneys he does tend to show good patience and picks them off to build his chip stack and run deep. I forget his bracelet count, but it's right up there at the top.
since we've segued into gambling, i'll chime in with an interesting story. remember the mysterious $500 that ended up in a very dormant sportsbook account of mine? turns out, i never made a deposit way back when. BetUS was so desperate for business that not only did they attempt to lure me back in with that money, but multiple people lied incessantly when i made inquiries to get to the bottom of things. i didn't know exactly what was going on because no one would shoot straight, but i was extremely confident that i never had anything to do with it. forgot where i put my car keys? ok sure. forgot that i dumped $500 in a wagering account and let it rot? less than zero chance.
their plan -- get the ball rolling and then hound me to make a deposit of my own -- backfired. i turned THEIR money into almost 3k. the last public statement i made was during the NBA finals. i had built my bankroll up a bit and hit the Warriors for the series. the good thing about doing that was the ability to "hedge" via each individual game, hence i was able to wiggle out of it unscathed when KD went down and it was clear that Golden State was in trouble.
after that, Wimbledon tennis matches, the US women's soccer team and Brooks Koepka proved very profitable. the one that blew me away was Koepka. the guy is arguably the best player in the sport, yet the books continued to pay him very little respect. any time i saw him as a dog in a head-to-head matchup in a major, i came out of my shoes. incredibly, it was still a secret that he's wired differently when it comes to golf's 4 biggest tournaments.
that was the "easy" part. extracting the funds from my account? not so much. first off, one important nugget they conveniently failed to tell me about was a 15X rollover attached to the $500. i saw the rollover part coming from a mile away, but i never saw fifteen. for those unfamiliar, that meant i had to make $7,500 in wagers before i could take a penny out. quick word of advice: if you ever deposit money in a sportsbook account, do not -- i repeat, do not -- accept any bonuses. they might appear altruistic on the face, but in truth they're just the opposite. it's the equivalent of being taken to the ground by Khabib Nurmagomedov; once you're there, it's very difficult to get back on your feet. the odds of you busting before hitting the rollover mark is heavily skewed in their favor, and that's why those perceived acts of kindness exist. just remember, nothing is free.
so a few weeks ago i finally crossed the line of demarcation. that amount never appeared online; i literally had to place a call any time i wanted to see where i stood. in doing so, it basically gave them the green light to make up any figure they wanted at any time. i was reconciling the dollars and cents as i went along, and thankfully there were no huge discrepancies.
when it finally came time to cash out, i was put through the ringer. passed around like a hot potato and fed enough bs to last me 10 lifetimes. i even had to threaten them. i said if you choose not to fulfill your obligations, i will scour the net for review sites and tell my story in a verbose fashion until my fingers start cramping. i literally told them by the time i was done, the net result would be a loss far greater than $2,792, which is the amount they finally sent to me via courier check. and yes, it did clear. lol
it almost wasn't worth it. almost.
(edit: now that the cat is out of the bag, i guess this means another contest is in order.)
@galaxy27 said:
since we've segued into gambling, i'll chime in with an interesting story. remember the mysterious $500 that ended up in a very dormant sportsbook account of mine? turns out, i never made a deposit way back when. BetUS was so desperate for business that not only did they attempt to lure me back in with that money, but multiple people lied incessantly when i made inquiries to get to the bottom of things. i didn't know exactly what was going on because no one would shoot straight, but i was extremely confident that i never had anything to do with it. forgot where i put my car keys? ok sure. forgot that i dumped $500 in a wagering account and let it rot? less than zero chance.
their plan -- get the ball rolling and then hound me to make a deposit of my own -- backfired. i turned THEIR money into almost 3k. the last public statement i made was during the NBA finals. i had built my bankroll up a bit and hit the Warriors for the series. the good thing about doing that was the ability to "hedge" via each individual game, hence i was able to wiggle out of it unscathed when KD went down and it was clear that Golden State was in trouble.
after that, Wimbledon tennis matches, the US women's soccer team and Brooks Koepka proved very profitable. the one that blew me away was Koepka. the guy is arguably the best player in the sport, yet the books continued to pay him very little respect. any time i saw him as a dog in a head-to-head matchup in a major, i came out of my shoes. incredibly, it was still a secret that he's wired differently when it comes to golf's 4 biggest tournaments.
that was the "easy" part. extracting the funds from my account? not so much. first off, one important nugget they conveniently failed to tell me about was a 15X rollover attached to the $500. i saw the rollover part coming from a mile away, but i never saw fifteen. for those unfamiliar, that meant i had to make $7,500 in wagers before i could take a penny out. quick word of advice: if you ever deposit money in a sportsbook account, do not -- i repeat, do not -- accept any bonuses. they might appear altruistic on the face, but in truth they're just the opposite. it's the equivalent of being taken to the ground by Khabib Nurmagomedov; once you're there, it's very difficult to get back on your feet. the odds of you busting before hitting the rollover mark is heavily skewed in their favor, and that's why those perceived acts of kindness exist. just remember, nothing is free.
so a few weeks ago i finally crossed the line of demarcation. that amount never appeared online; i literally had to place a call any time i wanted to see where i stood. in doing so, it basically gave them the green light to make up any figure they wanted at any time. i was reconciling the dollars and cents as i went along, and thankfully there were no huge discrepancies.
when it finally came time to cash out, i was put through the ringer. passed around like a hot potato and fed enough bs to last me 10 lifetimes. i even had to threaten them. i said if you choose not to fulfill your obligations, i will scour the net for review sites and tell my story in a verbose fashion until my fingers start cramping. i literally told them by the time i was done, the net result would be a loss far greater than $2,792, which is the amount they finally sent to me via courier check. and yes, it did clear. lol
it almost wasn't worth it. almost.
(edit: now that the cat is out of the bag, i guess this means another contest is in order.)
I've heard a number of similar stories such as that one.
As much as i don't like gambling venues, i don't wish for a nanny state either. So even though gambling websites are predatory businesses that couldn't survive without preying on addicted gamblers, i'd rather have online gambling legalized, regulated, and taxed in the US, where at least gamblers would get a fair shake, and the money stays in the US, versus most of these offshore gambling websites.
Other than the large foreign ones such as those regulated in the UK, I wouldn't trust any of the others for example Caribbean based gambling websites with a nickel of my money.
Many customers have complained of the site failing to pay out its customers and developing a poor reputation with American gamblers.[4] Prior to requesting a payout, documentation proving that any card(s) to make a deposit is required. This documentation can consist of photocopies of both sides of any credit card used to make a deposit, a photocopy of your state ID card, and a signed authorization form confirming you are the card holder and authorize the transactions.[5] XXXXX makes it very difficult to get any winnings paid out. And if you do it cost a lot to get it back.
check out the website sometime and wake me up when you find a shred of info about payout options
i even had a female "account manager" from Los Angeles who constantly blew up my phone. i could see how someone would fall for the enticing bonuses/excessive flirtation tactics, but thankfully i'm still of sound mind (relatively speaking) and not that hard up (yet)
galaxy- I had an account with them long ago, like 15 or 20 years ago.
I still get literature from them several times a year, but especially at the start of football season.
Got a nice NFL schedule from them to use this year, shows every game and time for all 17 weeks.
They try to get me to make a deposit, I just don't have any interest anymore.
Party Poker was my Jam. I remember one afternoon I had built my account up to 4K and lost it all when my Queens Full of deuces ran into Quad Dueces. 🤷♂️
@perkdog said:
Party Poker was my Jam. I remember one afternoon I had built my account up to 4K and lost it all when my Queens Full of deuces ran into Quad Dueces. 🤷♂️
What a brutal bad beat - doesn't get much worse than that considering the money.
How exactly did the hand play out if you wish to discuss it?
There are times when even though it's tough, you have to lay down a boat. But if you had the second nuts in that particular hand, it would basically be an impossible lay down.
However if the board was 2,2,Q,K,A depending on the suits, you would only have the 4th or 5th nuts, and depending on the opponent, depending on how much you already had in the pot, or if the opponent bet most of that 4k after all the cards had been dealt, then a tough lay down may have been considered.
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
Considering that board, when the guy rivers the case 2, then it's just one of those times when nothing can be about it.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
Considering that board, when the guy rivers the case 2, then it's just one of those times when nothing can be about it.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
Check out this dining story. A raccoon hid in the roof of this donut shop and waited until it closed. He then proceeded to pull off a sticky bun heist.....
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
When ya have $500 already invested in the pot and one player shoves $3,400 and you think that you're probably ahead, then you really have to make the call.
Otherwise If you're going to always fold in that situation, you will without question be a long term losing poker player.
Sometimes in a poker hand, neither player makes the wrong decision, and the hand just plays out lucky for one and unlucky for the other. That's what happened here.
@doubledragon said:
Check out this dining story. A raccoon hid in the roof of this donut shop and waited until it closed. He then proceeded to pull off a sticky bun heist.....
But they couldn't identify the criminal because he had a mask on.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
When ya have $500 already invested in the pot and one player shoves $3,400 and you think that you're probably ahead, then you really have to make the call.
Otherwise If you're going to always fold in that situation, you will without question be a long term losing poker player.
Sometimes in a poker hand, neither player makes the wrong decision, and the hand just plays out lucky for one and unlucky for the other. That's what happened here.
He definitely thought he was ahead. But when your in big hands like that being a calling station doesn’t always pan out, $500 is a good chunk but making it a $3900 investment is a tall order. We are not talking having $40 in and calling a $150 bet here.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
When ya have $500 already invested in the pot and one player shoves $3,400 and you think that you're probably ahead, then you really have to make the call.
Otherwise If you're going to always fold in that situation, you will without question be a long term losing poker player.
Sometimes in a poker hand, neither player makes the wrong decision, and the hand just plays out lucky for one and unlucky for the other. That's what happened here.
He definitely thought he was ahead. But when your in big hands like that being a calling station doesn’t always pan out, $500 is a good chunk but making it a $3900 investment is a tall order. We are not talking having $40 in and calling a $150 bet here.
I think Darin hit the nail on the head when the guy most probably thought you had AQ or KQ. In that case with trip 2's, he would have been around a 95% favorite to win the hand on the river.
If that's the guy's assessment, how can he not make the call, even for $3,900? That's all i'm saying.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
When ya have $500 already invested in the pot and one player shoves $3,400 and you think that you're probably ahead, then you really have to make the call.
Otherwise If you're going to always fold in that situation, you will without question be a long term losing poker player.
Sometimes in a poker hand, neither player makes the wrong decision, and the hand just plays out lucky for one and unlucky for the other. That's what happened here.
He definitely thought he was ahead. But when your in big hands like that being a calling station doesn’t always pan out, $500 is a good chunk but making it a $3900 investment is a tall order. We are not talking having $40 in and calling a $150 bet here.
I think Darin hit the nail on the head when the guy most probably thought you had AQ or KQ. In that case with trip 2's, he would have been around a 95% favorite to win the hand on the river.
If that's the guy's assessment, how can he not make the call, even for $3,900? That's all i'm saying.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
When ya have $500 already invested in the pot and one player shoves $3,400 and you think that you're probably ahead, then you really have to make the call.
Otherwise If you're going to always fold in that situation, you will without question be a long term losing poker player.
Sometimes in a poker hand, neither player makes the wrong decision, and the hand just plays out lucky for one and unlucky for the other. That's what happened here.
He definitely thought he was ahead. But when your in big hands like that being a calling station doesn’t always pan out, $500 is a good chunk but making it a $3900 investment is a tall order. We are not talking having $40 in and calling a $150 bet here.
I think Darin hit the nail on the head when the guy most probably thought you had AQ or KQ. In that case with trip 2's, he would have been around a 95% favorite to win the hand on the river.
If that's the guy's assessment, how can he not make the call, even for $3,900? That's all i'm saying.
I get what your saying 👍
Well, I certainly wish it would have turned out better for you on that hand.
And of course it's not just the 8k that you would have had, it's the additional money you may have won with the 8k after that? Could have been any number.
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
When ya have $500 already invested in the pot and one player shoves $3,400 and you think that you're probably ahead, then you really have to make the call.
Otherwise If you're going to always fold in that situation, you will without question be a long term losing poker player.
Sometimes in a poker hand, neither player makes the wrong decision, and the hand just plays out lucky for one and unlucky for the other. That's what happened here.
He definitely thought he was ahead. But when your in big hands like that being a calling station doesn’t always pan out, $500 is a good chunk but making it a $3900 investment is a tall order. We are not talking having $40 in and calling a $150 bet here.
I think Darin hit the nail on the head when the guy most probably thought you had AQ or KQ. In that case with trip 2's, he would have been around a 95% favorite to win the hand on the river.
If that's the guy's assessment, how can he not make the call, even for $3,900? That's all i'm saying.
I get what your saying 👍
Well, I certainly wish it would have turned out better for you on that hand.
And of course it's not just the 8k that you would have had, it's the additional money you may have won with the 8k after that? Could have been any number.
That’s the thing, at that time I was over my degenerate gambling habits. I would have pulled out 5K and played the rest. But Lady Luck decides to give me a back handler across the chops 😂 And thank You, it would have been a nice score
@perkdog said:
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
When ya have $500 already invested in the pot and one player shoves $3,400 and you think that you're probably ahead, then you really have to make the call.
Otherwise If you're going to always fold in that situation, you will without question be a long term losing poker player.
Sometimes in a poker hand, neither player makes the wrong decision, and the hand just plays out lucky for one and unlucky for the other. That's what happened here.
He definitely thought he was ahead. But when your in big hands like that being a calling station doesn’t always pan out, $500 is a good chunk but making it a $3900 investment is a tall order. We are not talking having $40 in and calling a $150 bet here.
I think Darin hit the nail on the head when the guy most probably thought you had AQ or KQ. In that case with trip 2's, he would have been around a 95% favorite to win the hand on the river.
If that's the guy's assessment, how can he not make the call, even for $3,900? That's all i'm saying.
I get what your saying 👍
Well, I certainly wish it would have turned out better for you on that hand.
And of course it's not just the 8k that you would have had, it's the additional money you may have won with the 8k after that? Could have been any number.
That’s the thing, at that time I was over my degenerate gambling habits. I would have pulled out 5K and played the rest. But Lady Luck decides to give me a back handler across the chops 😂 And thank You, it would have been a nice score
<<< over my degenerate gambling habits >>>
I as well, and thank goodness for that. 🍻
Now i limit my "addictions" to that of cards and coins, and being a sports fan. To me, those are good addictions.....
.....except for when the Phillies or Eagles are losing.
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On the other hand I have another buddy who will play rags a lot after a decent pre flop bet and he absolutely knows how to play the game well. His famous words are “Eh it’s a scratch ticket”
Give me a table loaded with math-only guys, I'll clean up every time. One's who truly have no idea what they're doing, can't be read, since half the time they don't even know what hand or possibilities they have.
Over at Cardplayer website there is an odds calculator. I haven't looked at it in a long time but it's interesting that the pre-flop odds advantage of AA over 27os, I think is around 89% give or take a little bit. So around 1 out of 10 times even the lowest pre-flop hand can beat the highest pre-flop hand.
People always complain about their pocket aces getting cracked, but usually if there's say around four other players in the pot and the cards all get dealt to the river, the odds are usually less than 50% that the AA will be the best hand.
They started a new daily tourney over at AOL poker about a month ago which attracts around 400 to 500 players. Lots of fun but very tough to finish first. I've played around ten times and usually get in the money but haven't won it yet. The best I've done so far is second place.
In my second place finish, I go into heads up and the opponent has around a 4 to 1 chip lead. Second hand dealt, I get a beautiful AA and go all-in. Opponent calls and shows AJ and I'm lovin' it. I'll get the double up and then the chip stacks are much closer. SOB sucks out with a J on the flop, and J on the turn.
I was hissed off. I had invested over three hours of time playing this tourney and really wanted to win it.....but that's poker.
You guys are right - it's mostly all about reading the other players.
I've watched the pros on TV and on the Youtube videos. The one consistency I've observed by the best of the best is their flexibility. Sure they sometimes get beat. But some of the lay downs they make are amazing, as well as some of the hero calls. Some of those hands they lay down or call without question is them getting the proper read on the opponent and making the right decision based on that.
An opponent could play tight for an hour, then loose for the next hour. There are so many factors involved regarding that and the best of the best just seem to pick up on it with their ability to adjust and adapt to the ever changing play at the table.
I've played entire hold'em home games without ever looking at my cards until the turn is shown unless there's an all-in. It's fun to work on reads and playing position poker (and see if anyone else at the table even notices). In many situations, your own hole cards are irrelevant.
negreanu shocks me every time when he tells opponents, BOTH their hole cards.
I've watched Negreanu a lot and seen him do that.
Some of those top players, when they're playing their best poker, truly frighten me. The frightening thing is that even if you would get better cards against these top players, they just have a knack of knowing when to shove to get you to fold the best hand.
So even if you get good cards, you can still lose to these guys. If you get equal cards or bad cards, then they eat you alive.
Give me some Ivey vs. Negreanu heads up NL cash game, $2m buy-in, winner take all, for must watch TV.
Ten years ago that would be a superb match, and even today it would still be a fun match to watch.
I don't read about it in detail, but I know from general news that Negreanu has had his various ups and downs the past five years or so. Ivey has had some terrible problems that anyone can Google and find out about it.
The bottom line is that recently Ivey sought backers for a 50k buy-in tourney. That's all i recall and perhaps there was a reason for this other than Ivey being broke. I know 50k is a lot of money but we're talking Phil Ivey here. Phil Ivey used to sneeze at a "measly" 50k.
I hope Ivey is okay because he always won with class, lost with class as well. You have to like and respect that in a poker player.
The best player, in my opinion, who I ever saw on TV was Chip Reese.
His legend is well known, but there isn't much video of him playing for various reasons.
However there is one video of Reese playing Phil Hellmuth heads-up. Yes, I realize that Hellmuth isn't exactly the best cash game player, but he's not chopped liver either. However Reese just absolutely ate Hellmuth alive, playing perhaps the finest poker I've ever seen.
That match with Hellmuth wasn't an aberration. From what I've read and heard others say, this was the way Chip Reese always played poker.
Hellmuth is pretty easy to tilt since he's so full of himself. He's the odds guy who storms off every time the cards don't go his way (and hasn't figured out how to adapt to the modern game at all).
Hellmuth is generally over matched with the best players in cash games. His major flaw is trying to make too many hero calls when an opponent goes all-in.
However when he plays against lesser skilled players, his talent is evident. I've seen him play on Live at the Bike, and against that lesser competition, he usually does well.
Likely why he does good in tourneys is that there are lots of below average players in tourneys and in these tourneys he does tend to show good patience and picks them off to build his chip stack and run deep. I forget his bracelet count, but it's right up there at the top.
since we've segued into gambling, i'll chime in with an interesting story. remember the mysterious $500 that ended up in a very dormant sportsbook account of mine? turns out, i never made a deposit way back when. BetUS was so desperate for business that not only did they attempt to lure me back in with that money, but multiple people lied incessantly when i made inquiries to get to the bottom of things. i didn't know exactly what was going on because no one would shoot straight, but i was extremely confident that i never had anything to do with it. forgot where i put my car keys? ok sure. forgot that i dumped $500 in a wagering account and let it rot? less than zero chance.
their plan -- get the ball rolling and then hound me to make a deposit of my own -- backfired. i turned THEIR money into almost 3k. the last public statement i made was during the NBA finals. i had built my bankroll up a bit and hit the Warriors for the series. the good thing about doing that was the ability to "hedge" via each individual game, hence i was able to wiggle out of it unscathed when KD went down and it was clear that Golden State was in trouble.
after that, Wimbledon tennis matches, the US women's soccer team and Brooks Koepka proved very profitable. the one that blew me away was Koepka. the guy is arguably the best player in the sport, yet the books continued to pay him very little respect. any time i saw him as a dog in a head-to-head matchup in a major, i came out of my shoes. incredibly, it was still a secret that he's wired differently when it comes to golf's 4 biggest tournaments.
that was the "easy" part. extracting the funds from my account? not so much. first off, one important nugget they conveniently failed to tell me about was a 15X rollover attached to the $500. i saw the rollover part coming from a mile away, but i never saw fifteen. for those unfamiliar, that meant i had to make $7,500 in wagers before i could take a penny out. quick word of advice: if you ever deposit money in a sportsbook account, do not -- i repeat, do not -- accept any bonuses. they might appear altruistic on the face, but in truth they're just the opposite. it's the equivalent of being taken to the ground by Khabib Nurmagomedov; once you're there, it's very difficult to get back on your feet. the odds of you busting before hitting the rollover mark is heavily skewed in their favor, and that's why those perceived acts of kindness exist. just remember, nothing is free.
so a few weeks ago i finally crossed the line of demarcation. that amount never appeared online; i literally had to place a call any time i wanted to see where i stood. in doing so, it basically gave them the green light to make up any figure they wanted at any time. i was reconciling the dollars and cents as i went along, and thankfully there were no huge discrepancies.
when it finally came time to cash out, i was put through the ringer. passed around like a hot potato and fed enough bs to last me 10 lifetimes. i even had to threaten them. i said if you choose not to fulfill your obligations, i will scour the net for review sites and tell my story in a verbose fashion until my fingers start cramping. i literally told them by the time i was done, the net result would be a loss far greater than $2,792, which is the amount they finally sent to me via courier check. and yes, it did clear. lol
it almost wasn't worth it. almost.
(edit: now that the cat is out of the bag, i guess this means another contest is in order.)
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I never take rollover money. did I say never?
I've heard a number of similar stories such as that one.
As much as i don't like gambling venues, i don't wish for a nanny state either. So even though gambling websites are predatory businesses that couldn't survive without preying on addicted gamblers, i'd rather have online gambling legalized, regulated, and taxed in the US, where at least gamblers would get a fair shake, and the money stays in the US, versus most of these offshore gambling websites.
Other than the large foreign ones such as those regulated in the UK, I wouldn't trust any of the others for example Caribbean based gambling websites with a nickel of my money.
And yes...a new contest...pretty please?
I just checked out the mentioned gambling website:
Headquarters: San Jose, Costa Rica
Well it's not a Caribbean island, but Costa Rica is in Latin America.
Isn't that one of the countries where migrants are swarming to get away from it? I don't think that I'd want to be sending my money there.
Pasted from Wiki:
Payouts
Many customers have complained of the site failing to pay out its customers and developing a poor reputation with American gamblers.[4] Prior to requesting a payout, documentation proving that any card(s) to make a deposit is required. This documentation can consist of photocopies of both sides of any credit card used to make a deposit, a photocopy of your state ID card, and a signed authorization form confirming you are the card holder and authorize the transactions.[5] XXXXX makes it very difficult to get any winnings paid out. And if you do it cost a lot to get it back.
XXXXX - edited the website name
It can take months to receive your first payout (max $2,500 per month).
Many charge a $65 fee for sending the check.
check out the website sometime and wake me up when you find a shred of info about payout options
i even had a female "account manager" from Los Angeles who constantly blew up my phone. i could see how someone would fall for the enticing bonuses/excessive flirtation tactics, but thankfully i'm still of sound mind (relatively speaking) and not that hard up (yet)
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
galaxy- I had an account with them long ago, like 15 or 20 years ago.
I still get literature from them several times a year, but especially at the start of football season.
Got a nice NFL schedule from them to use this year, shows every game and time for all 17 weeks.
They try to get me to make a deposit, I just don't have any interest anymore.
Party Poker was my Jam. I remember one afternoon I had built my account up to 4K and lost it all when my Queens Full of deuces ran into Quad Dueces. 🤷♂️
What a brutal bad beat - doesn't get much worse than that considering the money.
How exactly did the hand play out if you wish to discuss it?
There are times when even though it's tough, you have to lay down a boat. But if you had the second nuts in that particular hand, it would basically be an impossible lay down.
However if the board was 2,2,Q,K,A depending on the suits, you would only have the 4th or 5th nuts, and depending on the opponent, depending on how much you already had in the pot, or if the opponent bet most of that 4k after all the cards had been dealt, then a tough lay down may have been considered.
Steve, my hole cards were QQ. Flop came Q,2,3, Turn 9. I then pushed all in, about 3400 ish, this guy called and flipped 22. River was Ofcourse a 2. It was not fun lol
You played the hand a lot better than the other guy. Wonder what he thought you had after you pushed all in?
He had to be hoping you had AQ or KQ. He got really lucky. It sucks to be on the losing end of those hands.
Considering that board, when the guy rivers the case 2, then it's just one of those times when nothing can be about it.
Just a horrible bad beat.
Yea, I just got beat. Nothing I could say or do, it was on the computer so I didn’t talk to the person about it and get any type of feel for what he was thinking. The guy had about 12K in front of him so he probably didn’t really stress about a 4K hand, I mean it sucked I started the day before with a $500 and built my stack, it was tough flushing it like that but what can ya do? You play you need to handle a bad beat when it happens. I don’t care what anyone would say there was no straight flush possible so the Quad 2’s was the only way I could have lost. There were 7 or 8 other players that folded so chances were slim.
Exactly.
I agree that the guy had a 12k stack and considering his trips, he didn't really stress about the 4k.
With your shove, he probably thought that you might have top set or middle set, but that you also could have played 4,5 suited and now had an open end straight draw, or possibly had two pair, or most probably had top pair top kicker as Darin mentioned, or you could have simply had a stone cold bluff with maybe AK or whatever and he'd catch you drawing dead.
Even though it turned out that the villain sucked out, it wasn't really that bad of a call on his part in my opinion considering all the circumstances. I think most times the guy is probably ahead going into the river, and with him having money already invested in the pot, he really had to make the call.
Not really did he “Have” to make the call, we both had around $500 in the hand up until that point. A $3400 bet is pretty steep regardless but no idea what his financial situation was so maybe it was like $5 for him who knows. Either way I don’t really mind taking a beating, I’ve won some stupid lucky gambling situations so whatever. you play you pay. But that was an extreme for poker, I’ve won and lost around $1200 both ways before that, that’s my biggest win loss take or give in poker aside from that. But I won’t don’t need to get into the 10K I lost on my sisters company when her boss stole everyone’s money and moved to California back in 1996 or the $24K I won on roulette in Vegas before I made that investment 😂
Check out this dining story. A raccoon hid in the roof of this donut shop and waited until it closed. He then proceeded to pull off a sticky bun heist.....
When ya have $500 already invested in the pot and one player shoves $3,400 and you think that you're probably ahead, then you really have to make the call.
Otherwise If you're going to always fold in that situation, you will without question be a long term losing poker player.
Sometimes in a poker hand, neither player makes the wrong decision, and the hand just plays out lucky for one and unlucky for the other. That's what happened here.
But they couldn't identify the criminal because he had a mask on.
He definitely thought he was ahead. But when your in big hands like that being a calling station doesn’t always pan out, $500 is a good chunk but making it a $3900 investment is a tall order. We are not talking having $40 in and calling a $150 bet here.
I think Darin hit the nail on the head when the guy most probably thought you had AQ or KQ. In that case with trip 2's, he would have been around a 95% favorite to win the hand on the river.
If that's the guy's assessment, how can he not make the call, even for $3,900? That's all i'm saying.
I get what your saying 👍
Well, I certainly wish it would have turned out better for you on that hand.
And of course it's not just the 8k that you would have had, it's the additional money you may have won with the 8k after that? Could have been any number.
That’s the thing, at that time I was over my degenerate gambling habits. I would have pulled out 5K and played the rest. But Lady Luck decides to give me a back handler across the chops 😂 And thank You, it would have been a nice score
<<< over my degenerate gambling habits >>>
I as well, and thank goodness for that. 🍻
Now i limit my "addictions" to that of cards and coins, and being a sports fan. To me, those are good addictions.....
.....except for when the Phillies or Eagles are losing.